"EU subs have kept small family farms like mine going"

[Bossfarmer]

The words of olly on ollys farm youtube channel in his video

BREXIT A DISASTER FOR UK FARMING?​

i normally find him a bit childlike but this was actually an interesting watch about the effects of brexit, what are peoples thoughts on this? Are the smaller English farmers starting to feel the pinch now their bps is being cut?

 

[robs1]

What size is his farm ?

 

[steveR]

The words of olly on ollys farm youtube channel in his video

BREXIT A DISASTER FOR UK FARMING?​

i normally find him a bit childlike but this was actually an interesting watch about the effects of brexit, what are peoples thoughts on this? Are the smaller English farmers starting to feel the pinch now their bps is being cut?

I would suggest that ALL English farmers will feel the pinch, even the types who were convinced Brexit would allow them to thrive and grow their business.

Who will thrive and who go under, is one for the future.

 

[teslacoils]

Depends entirely on grain prices. Last year, BPS was around 8% of my farm income. At times in the past it has been more like 30%. Currently its interest rates causing more of a pinch tbh.

 

[Lowland1]

As a small farmer the BPS is a nice bit of cash in the account but if I was farming a 1000 acres plus it’d be a much nicer sum. I’d say the more land you’re farming the more you are going to miss a payment based specifically on the number acres you farm.

 

[Bald Rick]

If farmgate prices exceeded costs, the government could stick its subsidy up its fundament.

But it behoves them to keep food prices as low as possible - with the primary producer taking the pain - and throw us a subsidy bone rather like a pat on the head.

 

[DrWazzock]

Most small farmers here were gone before Brexit, unable to expand or rent land due to massive inflation caused by subs. Small landowners still exist but most let the land to large concerns, one of whom reminded us he could buy our 200 acres out of his annual BPS cheque and still have plenty leftover. What chance is there for new entrants against that kind of state sponsored run away expansion by large corporations?

 

[teslacoils]

one of whom reminded us he could buy our 200 acres out of his annual BPS cheque and still have plenty leftover. What chance is there for new entrants against that kind of state sponsored run away expansion by large corporations?

What a tool. Comments like that would mean that farmer wouldn't get to buy my 200ac even if they bid the most. In fact, it would be more likely I covenanted that they or their descendants could never own it.

Not being harsh, but would you suggest any new entrant farmed in England when they could be elsewhere in the world?

 

[Bossfarmer]

Most small farmers here were gone before Brexit, unable to expand or rent land due to massive inflation caused by subs. Small landowners still exist but most let the land to large concerns, one of whom reminded us he could buy our 200 acres out of his annual BPS cheque and still have plenty leftover. What chance is there for new entrants against that kind of state sponsored run away expansion by large corporations?

the point is though that although its farm for small farms to expand they havent needed to, they can survive in cashflow terms through poor price years etc with the 20-30k a year cheque they recieve, take that away and theyre completely at the mercy of worldmarkets

 

[Bossfarmer]

the point is though that although its farm for small farms to expand they havent needed to, they can survive in cashflow terms through poor price years etc with the 20-30k a year cheque they recieve, take that away and theyre completely at the mercy of worldmarkets

#hard

 

[Bossfarmer]

What a tool. Comments like that would mean that farmer wouldn't get to buy my 200ac even if they bid the most. In fact, it would be more likely I covenanted that they or their descendants could never own it.

Not being harsh, but would you suggest any new entrant farmed in England when they could be elsewhere in the world?

the reality is though if there was more margin in the job that larger farmer would simply use the extra profit from all those extra acres to buy his 200 acres rather than use the bps cheque, i.e if he could make £89 per acre more profit from farming it comes to the same so either way the smaller farm will always have that disadvantage

 

[teslacoils]

the point is though that although its farm for small farms to expand they havent needed to, they can survive in cashflow terms through poor price years etc with the 20-30k a year cheque they recieve, take that away and theyre completely at the mercy of worldmarkets

A bigger pain for family farms is the disparency between asset value and earning potential. So paying out brothers, uncles etc sees them become unviable.

 

[teslacoils]

the reality is though if there was more margin in the job that larger farmer would simply use the extra profit from all those extra acres to buy his 200 acres rather than use the bps cheque, i.e if he could make £89 per acre more profit from farming it comes to the same so either way the smaller farm will always have that disadvantage

Unsure. Im surrounded now by large farmers, who have differing views on land purchase. The most acquisitive in the last 20 years have been investors rather than farming families in this area.

 

[Hilly]

Most small family farms were done for long before Brexit , the trend continues.

 

[Hilly]

Todays large farm is just tomorrows small
Farm .. been like this since time started .

 

[yellow belly]

faming has been surported to the

the point is though that although its farm for small farms to expand they havent needed to, they can survive in cashflow terms through poor price years etc with the 20-30k a year cheque they recieve, take that away and theyre completely at the mercy of worldmarkets

farming has been surported to that level since 1948
a lot less farmers now than then mainly due to the increase in the amount that each worker can farm

 

[yellow belly]

Todays large farm is just tomorrows small
Farm .. been like this since time started .

the good small farmers become good bigger farmers after a couple of decades

 

[Lowland1]

the point is though that although its farm for small farms to expand they havent needed to, they can survive in cashflow terms through poor price years etc with the 20-30k a year cheque they recieve, take that away and theyre completely at the mercy of worldmarkets

Absolute nonsense the BPS has allowed everyone to run at break even or a loss and top it up with the payments. Take on more land however you do it and you get paid for doing it. So when there’s a fight for more ground the bigger farmers are first in the trough. Once subsidies go it’s going to level the playing field a bit.

 

[DrDunc]

The family livestock farm of today is the quaint little croft of tomorrow

 

[glasshouse]

The words of olly on ollys farm youtube channel in his video

BREXIT A DISASTER FOR UK FARMING?​

i normally find him a bit childlike but this was actually an interesting watch about the effects of brexit, what are peoples thoughts on this? Are the smaller English farmers starting to feel the pinch now their bps is being cut?

Eu subs have ended many a farming business when the landlord grabs the subsidy and evicts the tenant