"EU subs have kept small family farms like mine going"

[David.]

the good small farmers become good bigger farmers after a couple of decades

Maybe once, 60 yrs ago.
No small farmer is buying his way into large scale farm ownership on the back of farm profits anymore, nor getting to buy the farm cheap as a sitting tenant, nor being left the tenanted farm so long as they pay the Death Duty.
Nothing to stop them being the equivalent of Deep South share croppers I suppose; being the lowest stubble to stubble tender, buying kit and wearing it out to allow other small landowners to masquerade as "active farmers" still, for tax purposes.
It's all a race to the bottom.

 

[livestock 1]

Looks to me like the small farm which is small enough for the owner of the business to have a job will be the most resilient as they are willing to use a wage to prop up the farming enterprise

 

[David.]

But what a system! Working the wife, in order to keep giving the raw materials to the food conglomerates at or below COP.

 

[livestock 1]

But what a system! Working the wife, in order to keep giving the raw materials to the food conglomerates below COP.

Well that’s what’s happening
Stupidity

 

[David.]

It's not only here, it's global.
I'm aware of a setup in Canada with 5k acres or so, and 5 out of the 6 adult family members have outside jobs/trades. Most wives seem to go out to work to pay the household bills.

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

The words of olly on ollys farm youtube channel in his video

BREXIT A DISASTER FOR UK FARMING?​

i normally find him a bit childlike but this was actually an interesting watch about the effects of brexit, what are peoples thoughts on this? Are the smaller English farmers starting to feel the pinch now their bps is being cut?

Boss, could you remind us of how many acres you farm, was it not 1350 at last count ?.
And you keep going on and on about looking after the small farmers, what have you done to help small farmers ?. Was it not from a distant thread in the past, you had bought up another small farm , added the land to your existing farm, and the buildings were to be developed. ?
Sounds to me you would sh!t on small farmers before helping them, so all this about brexit and subs going is just your own greed, nothing more nothing less

 

[Green oak]

If you took the business model of farming to the dragon den they would laugh in you face. 50% of my farm for £5 million. But you will not make a return because subsidies are going.

 

[Hilly]

the good small farmers become good bigger farmers after a couple of decades

Some dont , you only hear of the success, like horse racing only hear about the winners .

 

[7610 super q]

Do what boolocks ?
According to an article in the FW a few years ago, 52% of farms lost since 1972. They would be the small family farms less than 100 acres.
Not quite the resounding success this thread title implies............

 

[Hilly]

Maybe once, 60 yrs ago.
No small farmer is buying his way into large scale farm ownership on the back of farm profits anymore, nor getting to buy the farm cheap as a sitting tenant, nor being left the tenanted farm so long as they pay the Death Duty.
Nothing to stop them being the equivalent of Deep South share croppers I suppose; being the lowest stubble to stubble tender, buying kit and wearing it out to allow other small landowners to masquerade as "active farmers" still, for tax purposes.
It's all a race to the bottom.

They are doing that already some on massive scale .

 

[Hilly]

Do what boolocks ?
According to an article in the FW a few years ago, 52% of farms lost since 1972. They would be the small family farms less than 100 acres.
Not quite the resounding success this thread implies............

Total failure, my childhood was spent at farmsales 3 week and farms auctioned many after the sale …….. most medium size farms have diversified….

 

[7610 super q]

Total failure, my childhood was spent at farmsales 3 week and farms auctioned many after the sale …….. most medium size farms have diversified….

Back when I started in 1985, I had neighbours on 70 acres milking 30- 40 cows, buying a new tractor every 7 years. Where are they now........

 

[Dead Rabbits]

EU subsidies have kept farming hobbies like mine going.

That should be the thread title

 

[Hilly]

EU subsidies have kept farming hobbies like mine going.

That should be the thread title

It hasnt even done that for the majority , thats the point, thats the truth fact ! Not the pish in the op.

 

[7610 super q]

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[David.]

But they haven't.

 

[Hilly]

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Id rather be the man in black n white , he wont be up to the breasts in debt working for everyone expect himself .

 

[DrWazzock]

They’ve kept very large hobby farms going, that’s for sure. The bigger you are, the more you get.
How much money from other industries would have poured into farmland if it wasn’t for the sub and inheritance tax relief?
And it’s still going on with new policy. Money for old rope with greenwashing policy. Money for rewilding big estates for sitting on your are sand doing sweet FA.

 

[Hilly]

They’ve kept very large hobby farms going, that’s for sure. The bigger you are, the more you get.
How much money from other industries would have poured into farmland if it wasn’t for the sub and inheritance tax relief?
And it’s still going on with new policy. Money for old rope with greenwashing policy. Money for rewilding big estates for sitting on your are sand doing sweet FA.

Exactlty , the small farms round here are struggling to make a living yet the big ones are buying land and highest levels ever , anyone who thinks subs helps little farmers is bloody deluded fool ! Take it all away 100% .

 

[DrWazzock]

The CAP was milked for all its worth by the British landowning aristocracy. And on it goes now with greening. They’ll always find a way of ensuring that taxpayers money gets to those who need it least. It’s a fraud and a sick joke foisted on the British people all now under the guise of greening, carbon footprints and other bollox. The day of the peasant, toiling away on a few acres of his own, being helped by a benign State never really happened at all here and it certainly isn’t going to happen any time soon. It’s all about big landowners, corporate agents, weasel land agents and form fillers. Always was. Always will be.