muleman
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Needs to be at that price!
Ewe nuts
- Thread starter Bullabong
- Start date
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
I have been feeding 2/3 of the amount I normally do (having previously been on what I considered to be a good ration) to my early lambers, so cost per head has been significantly lower. Lactating ewes have made better use of their haylage and have milked better than usual.
From results, I consider it good value.
- Location
- Aberdeenshire
muleman
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Im not doubting its good but its £20-£30 ton dearer than most good quality feeds this year...but you get what you pay for, it will be a top quality feed.
- Location
- 200 miles N,NW of New York
So at £263 a tonne, and feeding 2/3 the amount, is £175 worth of feeds to what you normally feed, not bad value that at all,
Jdunn55
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- Location
- Helston, cornwall
Especially if they're milking better and lambs ate doing better!
spark_28
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- Location
- Western isles
How much cake should I be feeding a twin bearing lleyn gimmer. We have no grass and if it is there it's 101% water....
An ancient git
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I'm just staggered by the lack of knowledge being shown on this thread ..... It's tragic , sheep will suffer . and folk will bleat when job goes wrong .... BUT , it ain't rocket science folk ; just read and learn some tech data , or study a bit of nutrition ! We are supposed to be professional Farmers ............ Not bloody ignoramus amateurs !!!!!
muleman
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sheep will only suffer once...a bad lambing with no milk and they'll be fed well next year!
- Location
- north Wales
Are we too worried about soya levels ? I know it's being pushed, and is the latest "must have" ingredient, but Liz Genever did a trial feeding different protein sources to pregnant and milking ewes, and found soya performed no better than the others, in fact there was no difference between any of them! Ewe condition, lamb weights or growth.
The ewes stomach gets smaller the more heavily pregnant she becomes, and works faster meaning that protein doesn't stay there as long, and because of that, more of it becomes "by-pass" protein .
The ewes stomach gets smaller the more heavily pregnant she becomes, and works faster meaning that protein doesn't stay there as long, and because of that, more of it becomes "by-pass" protein .
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Soya is a great source of DUP, it’s the level of DUP that’s important, not soya inclusion particularly. Other protein sources like Distillers have a decent level of DUP, just not as high as Soya. Treated products, like Sopralin, have a higher proportion of DUP too, so can provide the same levels at lower inclusion rates.
I’m aware of Liz’s trial (useful independent research paid for from red meat levies btw), but I’m not aware that any other trials have shown the same results. I do think there is still much to learn about ewe nutrition though, particularly where forage rations are concerned. Most of the limited amount of work that is done, appears to be done with sheep on TMR rations, which isn’t a system that most farmers use, or even could use if they wanted to. Certainly from most of the sheep consultants I’ve heard speaking in the last couple of years, you’d be forgiven in believing all sheep farmers have a feeder wagon and ewes housed in a big shed.?
I think I've been to the same kind of meeting as you. When you tell them that you keep the ewes outside and give them the odd round bale and bag of beet nuts they don't seem to have any understanding!
WRXppp
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- Location
- North Yorks
Sheep farmers tend to only price the main feed of the year once a year and the 18% ration tends to be bought on price then wonder why twin lamb and lack of milk occur, lot’s of experts say if it has soya in it it is a good feed but as seen in lots of compositions of ration on this thread in many it is a token gesture so it is on the labe and not there in quantity to give the oomph sheep need in early pregnancy and lactation.
- Location
- Easter ross
top 5-6 ingredients should give a good idea if dark grains/beet pulp/ soya feature high up the list rather than fillers taking preference.
Home mix for me is my preference, only one person to blame if it’s not up to scratch or maybe 2 if you have a nutritionist on side
backin black
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Plain steer
Member
The last ones the best
A COMPLEMENTARY FEED FOR FEEDING WITH FORAGE TO CATTLE OR
SHEEP TO PROVIDE UP TO 70% OF THE DIETARY DRY MATTER.
ANALYTICAL CONSTITUENTS
CRUDE OILS & FATS 4.0 % SODIUM 0.3 %
CRUDE PROTEIN 18.0 %
CRUDE FIBRE 8.0 %
CRUDE ASH 9.5 %
COMPOSITION
Barley, Distillers' dark grains, Wheatfeed, Malt residuals, Soya (bean) meal*, Oat bran, (Sugar) cane molasses
Calcium carbonate, Sodium chloride, Vegetable fat, Fish oil, Choline chloride
* Contains genetically modified organisms.
ADDITIVES (PER KG)
Vitamins: 3a672a Vitamin A 8000 IU, 3a671 Vitamin D3 2000 IU, 3a700 Vitamin E 120 mg, Vitamin B12 50 mg,
3a821 Vitamin B1 10 mg
********************************************************************************************************
WARNING: CONTAINS ADDED MAGNESIUM. Not suitable for feeding ad lib to male lambs.
Total Magnesium 0.31%. Be careful if entire male animals have access to this feed.
********************************************************************************************************
Production Run No.:
Best Before / Vitamins Guaranteed: 13/05/2020
STORE IN A COOL DRY PLACE
Net Weight 25kg or if Bulk, please refer to Weigh Bridge Ticket
Compound Feeds 89
Flavouring compounds:
EVO 0.10 g
Trace Elements: 3b202 Iodine (calcium iodate anhydrous) 3 mg, 3b304 Cobalt (coated granulated cobalt (II),
carbonate) 1 mg, 3b502 Manganese (manganese (II) oxide) 25 mg, 3b603 Zinc (zinc oxide) 75 mg, 3b801,
Selenium (sodium selenite) 0.4 mg, 3b810 Selenium (Selenised yeast Saccharomyces cerevisiae CNCM
Whats the views on this i've used it the last 3 years with good results.
SHEEP TO PROVIDE UP TO 70% OF THE DIETARY DRY MATTER.
ANALYTICAL CONSTITUENTS
CRUDE OILS & FATS 4.0 % SODIUM 0.3 %
CRUDE PROTEIN 18.0 %
CRUDE FIBRE 8.0 %
CRUDE ASH 9.5 %
COMPOSITION
Barley, Distillers' dark grains, Wheatfeed, Malt residuals, Soya (bean) meal*, Oat bran, (Sugar) cane molasses
Calcium carbonate, Sodium chloride, Vegetable fat, Fish oil, Choline chloride
* Contains genetically modified organisms.
ADDITIVES (PER KG)
Vitamins: 3a672a Vitamin A 8000 IU, 3a671 Vitamin D3 2000 IU, 3a700 Vitamin E 120 mg, Vitamin B12 50 mg,
3a821 Vitamin B1 10 mg
********************************************************************************************************
WARNING: CONTAINS ADDED MAGNESIUM. Not suitable for feeding ad lib to male lambs.
Total Magnesium 0.31%. Be careful if entire male animals have access to this feed.
********************************************************************************************************
Production Run No.:
Best Before / Vitamins Guaranteed: 13/05/2020
STORE IN A COOL DRY PLACE
Net Weight 25kg or if Bulk, please refer to Weigh Bridge Ticket
Compound Feeds 89
Flavouring compounds:
EVO 0.10 g
Trace Elements: 3b202 Iodine (calcium iodate anhydrous) 3 mg, 3b304 Cobalt (coated granulated cobalt (II),
carbonate) 1 mg, 3b502 Manganese (manganese (II) oxide) 25 mg, 3b603 Zinc (zinc oxide) 75 mg, 3b801,
Selenium (sodium selenite) 0.4 mg, 3b810 Selenium (Selenised yeast Saccharomyces cerevisiae CNCM
Whats the views on this i've used it the last 3 years with good results.
- Location
- North Wales
As Plain steer says the last one is probably the best but it still all depends on what your ewes need to balance the forage they're given. There is no one good feed that suits all systems, you need to complement the forage and supply any deficiency.
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
I agree that it would be best to chose a ration to supplement your forage, but how much can you rely on results of a forage test?
Maybe I’m getting old and jaded, but I have come to taking results with either a pinch of salt, or so much salt that I ignore them! I’ve had a few results in recent years that have been so far off where the forage obviously is, that they are ridiculous, particularly where there is clover in the sward (as must often be the case on beef & sheep farms?).
As an example, I had a test result on some round bales this Autumn, taken with a core sampler. The grass was a first year PRG reseed with lots of white & balansa clover in it. I had purposefully let the grass get just past flowering, to soak up the sap from the balansa, but not ridiculously old or stemmy. It came back at 10 ME and 7%CP! It was so far out as to be laughable and, if the testing hadn’t been foc I would have insisted it was redone (instead of just ignoring it). I have fed all those bales to my early lambers, who have cleared it enthusiastically and milked like stink on less feed than normal (as posted previously).
I’ve come to the conclusion that, particularly where the forage contains clover, I will endeavour to make as good forage as I can, ignore any test results, and work rations out (on a fag packet) based on ‘average’ quality silage. That’ll be somewhere about right ime.
Yeah it looks alright , especially as you've got on well with it.
It's got the usual ' wheatfeed ' .
..i see that's what used to be called ' 'wheatings' just the skippy husks of wheat really, fibre not a lot of feed value.GM stuff in there as well I see , like the soya, how does that sort of thing sit with farm assurance schemes
?Well theres none of that in my home produced ration anyway.