caveman
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If race hate was the issue then they wouldn't have been in the country in the first place would they ?
Uganda or Germany?
Or Zimbabwe?
If race hate was the issue then they wouldn't have been in the country in the first place would they ?
Cameron’s negotiators were unable to remove the “tapering mechanism” which will see EU migrants start to receive benefits when they start to contribute to the system – probably after their first year of work.
” if the UK, or any other member state, can show that EU migrants are “putting an excessive pressure on the proper functioning of its public services”.
No details are provided on what “excessive pressure” ".However the control of the brake appearsto remain firmly in the hands of the Commission who must be "notified" by any member state that they believe they are eligible to use it.
The text also adds an important caveat that the “limitation should be graduated, from an initial complete exclusion” to be followed by “gradually increasing access to such benefits” the longer that an EU worker stays in the host member state’s labour market.
So you are scratching around for justification and excuses. I kind of thought so but hoped not. You have already demonstrated what you are so no need to underline it.
Asians and Europeans were prevalent in the government and business of what is a predominantly black country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idi_Amin
We are determined to make the ordinary Ugandan master of his own destiny and, above all, to see that he enjoys the wealth of his country. Our deliberate policy is to transfer the economic control of Uganda into the hands of Ugandans, for the first time in our country's history.
— Idi Amin on the persecution of minorities
In August 1972, Amin declared what he called an "economic war", a set of policies that included the expropriation of properties owned by Asians and Europeans. Uganda's 80,000 Asians were mostly from the Indian subcontinent and born in the country, their ancestors having come to Uganda when the country was still a British colony.
Your point being? Of course you do know that he also eliminated hundreds of thousands of his own people as well?
I cannot see what possible point you are making apart from propagating further race hate and in this instance excusing Idi Amin.
Perhaps you are suggesting that the UK should have stopped them coming here and condemn them to certain death in Uganda? Nothing would surprise me.
Your point being? Of course you do know that he also eliminated hundreds of thousands of his own people as well?
I cannot see what possible point you are making apart from propagating further race hate and in this instance excusing Idi Amin.
Perhaps you are suggesting that the UK should have stopped them coming here and condemn them to certain death in Uganda? Nothing would surprise me.
I think you realise you've lost the argument convincingly.
You are more than willing to castigate people as "deranged and dangerous".
But...
Politics is there for a reason, it allows people to vent frustrations into politics and get tangible results.
This is where UKIP gains.
If Labour and Conservative policies were not extreme UKIP wouldn't exist.
I am not going to debate that with a self confessed racist who has demonstrated his position starkly and horribly here on this forum in this very topic. Again your logic and comprehension lets you down badly.
You're extreme.
The Europeans and Asian in Uganda should have ensured the population as a whole was well catered for. Then Idi Amin would not have been able to use his "economic war" to gain power... because it would not have existed.
Yes he was a racist... but the Europeans and Asians were Elitists.
I dont condone either side, but I do see some parrallels today.
A large disaffected population and hardcore Elitists.
He didn't gain power in that way of course. Once again you are way out with the fairies. He was an officer in the UK led army while it was out colony and was made head of the army at independence. He then staged a military coup. There was no 'economic war' on his part although, like Hitler, he did use that reason for persecuting not only minorities but his own people. He was deranged and became more so as his regime progressed. In the end his neighbours had to invade and oust him to stop the genocide.
My goodness, you are hell bent on justifying the unjustifiable.
I and others note that you have studiously avoided the question of whether we should have accepted the refugees into the UK.
No sh1t Sherlock!He didn't do a military coup by himself.
No sh1t Sherlock!
I presume he didn't slaughter half a million people on his own either.
Still advocating silencing the majority ?
I and others note that you have studiously avoided the question of whether we should have accepted the refugees into the UK.
I am fairly confident that the vast majority of the UK population are decent people and not blatant racists like you have demonstrated yourself to be. If you think that all those Brexit voters are like you, think again.
You are just a random cannon looking for a target to spray racism at.
You don't have any arguments to back up your accusations other than quoting history like a weapon.
Immigration is just one issue that created Brexit whether you like it or not.
I'm not going to jump to attention because an intolerant Liberal extremist spouts failed dogma.
Those "concessions" were smoke and mirrors, they could, and would have been thrown out by the EU as soon as an in vote would have been announced, Cameron was asked, at least three times if they could be vetoed, by the other leaders, and the best he could come up with was" They said they would not!" Thats very different from "They cannot" The important bit of the sentence is missing, here is what they really meant, We wont veto these arrangements, until its in our interests to do so! Which would have been straight after a "remain" vote!That is more or less what we would have had, in effect, from the concessions that Cameron won in his recent negotiations with the EU. An agreement that immigrants would not be eligible for social security until they reside for two or three years. Not sure of the details but it is no longer on the table anyhow, not since last week.
Perhaps you could help me Sebastian.That's actually a grammar issue and it upsets me to see people butchering their beautiful language.
What is an 'intolerant Liberal extremist'?You are just a random cannon looking for a target to spray racism at.
You don't have any arguments to back up your accusations other than quoting history like a weapon.
Immigration is just one issue that created Brexit whether you like it or not.
I'm not going to jump to attention because an intolerant Liberal extremist spouts failed dogma.
What is an 'intolerant Liberal extremist'?
Surely a contradiction?