- Location
- Somerset UK
@Guy Smith i am curious what you are going to do to get farmers on side? Any organisation that is almost universally despised by its customers/members/hostages or whatever you call us, probably doesn't have a rosy future.
Farm assurance cost
- Thread starter Drillman
- Start date
Any new scheme would be more likely to contain most, if not all, of the present scheme, not less. That's if previous experience of the mission creep involved in the setting up of rules and regulations of the past twenty years is anything to go by.
- Location
- Cirencester
I had a load rejected for bugs and then they changed their mind and said ergot when no bugs found. In the post this morning is 3 sheets of paper for me to fill out saying what happened and what I've done to stop this happening again. If I dont fill it all in and return within 28 days I am thrown out of the stupid scheme. Not like I have anything else to do is it. Needless to say my actions were simple, dont sell anything to that particular mill esp for a Friday delivery.
What a stupid bloody scheme this is. Maybe they should spend some time at the millers and maltsters and see what really is going on instead of wasting my time with their petty ideas.
What a stupid bloody scheme this is. Maybe they should spend some time at the millers and maltsters and see what really is going on instead of wasting my time with their petty ideas.
Ah the maltsters, the only people who actually make farm assurance seem good.
- Location
- Cirencester
Given up growing it as so fed up with them.
Next year will be my last if they don’t start showing some consistency and transparency in there dealing with me.
- Location
- Darlington
Are some of you people STILL paying them shysters your hard earned for a negative return
Canadian wheat is notorious for ergot. So I would imagine the Canadian farmer has taken a deduction on it.put though a colour sorter. And the lovely clean high protein wheat which turned up at the docks. Is the best we could import when there’s a shortage this year.
- Location
- Bury St Edmunds
Spot on
- Location
- Bury St Edmunds
This is where central stores need to stick their heads above the parapet and prove they are as powerful as they think they area and reject RT. I’m sure most millers and malsters and definitely most consumers aren’t remotely interested in whether my farm dog has been wormed or not. They are however interested in consistent quality, and supply. As far as I’m concerned RT gives the grower nothing and the consumer nothing. It all bullshot.
BB
BB
- Location
- YO42
My mate is arable only and not assured
But chatting to him he said he is finding in harder to market his grain
One thing he said that he seems to get a lot of claims. It could be that the buyer knows that it will be difficult to redirect a non assured load and is taking advantage
He also said that movement can be slow as he is limited in the amount of buyers who are keen to buy Which can have cash flow problems
He is now selling as much as he can farm to farm. But has been caught by some slow payers
But chatting to him he said he is finding in harder to market his grain
One thing he said that he seems to get a lot of claims. It could be that the buyer knows that it will be difficult to redirect a non assured load and is taking advantage
He also said that movement can be slow as he is limited in the amount of buyers who are keen to buy Which can have cash flow problems
He is now selling as much as he can farm to farm. But has been caught by some slow payers
Tamar
Member
Just market it with your neighbours corn. If Tesco can sell horse as beef, I am sure you can get your neighbour to market your non assured wheat as FA wheat !!
It only gets mixed in with non FA GM crops from around the world.
A question.
Many organic farmers supply BQP (Tulip - Danish pork) with feed wheat/barley via Organic arable, under contract. This feed is used to grow pork for Waitrose, who control their supply chains with zeal. My sister worked for them after uni as a farmer liason, so I have a reasonable understanding of their processes etc. They supply all meds, feed and stock etc on a fairly lucrative B and B type arrangement.
The pork products are then stamped with a red tractor and with a proud Union flag by Waitrose, not just as packaged meat, but pizza toppings, pasta sauce etc. etc.
This year, shortly after harvest, BQP reneged on its agreement with Organic arable and filled its entire feed requirements, until January, with imported 'Organic' grain. ( black sea Organic grain has been found to be full of chemical previously, much of the area had to be re certified C.2015 iirc). I must add, that I'm not a BQP supplier and this is only what I've been told by those who are, several of whom I work closely with. If I'm in any way wrong I'm happy to be corrected.
This action has thoroughly screwed many farmers who believed that they were working with a solid and honest partner, a lot of whom commit their entire production to Organic Arable and then onto BQP. It's frankly laughable that Waitrose use their support of British farmers in their marketing.
So, under these circumstances, is it right that waitrose products containing BQP/ Tulip pork are currently on the shelf with a proud Red tractor and a union flag?
Incidentally, the boys from Ukraine haven't paid their RT subs again this year @Guy Smith , you might want to chase them up (as long as you don't mind turning a blind eye to a drop or two of PGR in your organic wheat and your fabricated crop storage records being written in cryllic script?)
Many organic farmers supply BQP (Tulip - Danish pork) with feed wheat/barley via Organic arable, under contract. This feed is used to grow pork for Waitrose, who control their supply chains with zeal. My sister worked for them after uni as a farmer liason, so I have a reasonable understanding of their processes etc. They supply all meds, feed and stock etc on a fairly lucrative B and B type arrangement.
The pork products are then stamped with a red tractor and with a proud Union flag by Waitrose, not just as packaged meat, but pizza toppings, pasta sauce etc. etc.
This year, shortly after harvest, BQP reneged on its agreement with Organic arable and filled its entire feed requirements, until January, with imported 'Organic' grain. ( black sea Organic grain has been found to be full of chemical previously, much of the area had to be re certified C.2015 iirc). I must add, that I'm not a BQP supplier and this is only what I've been told by those who are, several of whom I work closely with. If I'm in any way wrong I'm happy to be corrected.
This action has thoroughly screwed many farmers who believed that they were working with a solid and honest partner, a lot of whom commit their entire production to Organic Arable and then onto BQP. It's frankly laughable that Waitrose use their support of British farmers in their marketing.
So, under these circumstances, is it right that waitrose products containing BQP/ Tulip pork are currently on the shelf with a proud Red tractor and a union flag?
Incidentally, the boys from Ukraine haven't paid their RT subs again this year @Guy Smith , you might want to chase them up (as long as you don't mind turning a blind eye to a drop or two of PGR in your organic wheat and your fabricated crop storage records being written in cryllic script?)
Steevo
Member
- Location
- Gloucestershire
NFU are great at thinking up problems, and the offering farmers solutions to things, especially if they can charge for them. It’s like project fear again!
NFU Mutual lifing/compressor inspections, health and safety audits etc.
The NFU now offer busy farmers an energy switching service they can charge you for. In years gone by you could do things yourself but we farmers are now so busy complying with the additional burden of hassles the NFU have created and endorsed to be able to do the day job ourselves!
- Location
- Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk
You should have inverted him head first through it until he'd met you own biosecurity standards
- Location
- Lincolnshire
At a rough guess with crops and livestock I reckon it costs us about £2000 per year in direct subscriptions and all the secondary charges such as sprayer MOT, training courses, health plan, our time etc. That’s about £10 per acre on our mixed farm.
We would still have to do the sprayer MOT by law if we weren’t assured but only every 3 years so assurance has gold plated that one in particular and trebled the cost. We only spray 100 acres of arable crops. My neighbour sprays 6000 and his sprayer is tested at the same interval as ours. It’s a joke, but the costs fall disproportionately on small family businesses. All this talk about supporting family farms is nothing but marketing tripe.
We would still have to do the sprayer MOT by law if we weren’t assured but only every 3 years so assurance has gold plated that one in particular and trebled the cost. We only spray 100 acres of arable crops. My neighbour sprays 6000 and his sprayer is tested at the same interval as ours. It’s a joke, but the costs fall disproportionately on small family businesses. All this talk about supporting family farms is nothing but marketing tripe.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Assurance is one reason the sheep have gone. We just can’t justify the overheads anymore.
probably no more than coincidence but @Guy Smith (tagged rather a lot recently in this and the other hot red tractor thread running right now) is some what conspicuous by his absence since the vote in the lords
maybe there is a point at which you simply can not defend the indefensible ? !
maybe there is a point at which you simply can not defend the indefensible ? !
Good point, the cost of assurance is more and more crippling the smaller the area farmed. The NFU is only interested in helping large farmers, and does nothing to contest the flat level of assurance fees that we have to pay every year, or three in the case of sprayer testing.