Farm subsidies the future

[tw15]

Who else thinks that money is going to be short now after all this corvid 19 virus . I can see that this country and many more are going to be very short of money and what they have is going to be spent very carefully .
With that in mind I recon if you budget for zero coming your way any more than that will be a bonus .
I know that SFP was slowly going down to be replaced by ELMS . My worry is that if countries are on their knees financially they are not going to be in a position and something has to give.
Hopefully a good debate follows from the better educated and brighter members than me .

 

[andybk]

Who else thinks that money is going to be short now after all this corvid 19 virus . I can see that this country and many more are going to be very short of money and what they have is going to be spent very carefully .
With that in mind I recon if you budget for zero coming your way any more than that will be a bonus .
I know that SFP was slowly going down to be replaced by ELMS . My worry is that if countries are on their knees financially they are not going to be in a position and something has to give.
Hopefully a good debate follows from the better educated and brighter members than me .

i agree , BUT we have seen how supply long chains are easily broken in an emergency , most farmers are producing food at less than the COP with BSP taking up the slack , something has to give one way or the other ,what position would we have been in if we had been a few years into ELMS ?, with all its tree planting and enviro schemes , and I can quite see this medical emergency happening again at some point , as long as unresticted air travel is allowed ,
so either we go full import cheap as possible or encourage home food production at a sustainable cost to us and the consumer .
For one thing messers goodman need sorting out .

 

[ewald]

Obviously don’t want to like your post, but I have a nasty feeling that you may be right

 

[livestock 1]

i agree , BUT we have seen how supply chains are easily broken in an emergency , most farmers are producing food at less than the COP with BSP taking up the slack , something has to give one way or the other ,what position would we had been in if we had been a few years into ELMS ?, with all its tree planting and enviro schemes , and I can quite see this happening again at some point so either we go full import or encourage home food production at a sustainable cost to consumer .
For one thing messers goodman need sorting out .

This is 100%. Too many conflicting factors pulling against each other. It would appear that our efficiency of collecting data has ended up confusing those that have put themselves into a position of power.
What do we want? Food? Food security? Trees? Rewinding? Or whatever it’s called!
Until we know the answer-it’s all just a big?

 

[puntabrava]

Who else thinks that money is going to be short now after all this corvid 19 virus . I can see that this country and many more are going to be very short of money and what they have is going to be spent very carefully .
With that in mind I recon if you budget for zero coming your way any more than that will be a bonus .
I know that SFP was slowly going down to be replaced by ELMS . My worry is that if countries are on their knees financially they are not going to be in a position and something has to give.
Hopefully a good debate follows from the better educated and brighter members than me .

Common sense sometimes looks many times brighter than lots of education.

 

[britt]

Hopefully a good debate follows from the better educated and brighter members than me .

That rules me out then

 

[Bald Rick]

Who else thinks that money is going to be short now after all this corvid 19 virus . I can see that this country and many more are going to be very short of money and what they have is going to be spent very carefully .
With that in mind I recon if you budget for zero coming your way any more than that will be a bonus .
I know that SFP was slowly going down to be replaced by ELMS . My worry is that if countries are on their knees financially they are not going to be in a position and something has to give.
Hopefully a good debate follows from the better educated and brighter members than me .

I wonder where commodity prices would have been if there had been no SFP?
It’s a stupid concept to bung a lump sum. It causes massive distortions - for example, how many contractors don’t get paid until the sub is in? Or a machine purchased on the “hope” the sub lands in the account on Dec 1st.

IF we must have subs, it would be better to trickle them in monthly or quarterly.
Although I fear that those who wish to claim in the future will have to demonstrate, and be audited, that they are providing Public Goods.

 

[tw15]

The big fear is that they will want the cheapest food for the general public to help get people back on their feet then food security will come into play and then they might think differently . One thing for sure is we are going into unchartered waters .

 

[Sonoftheheir]

I think more people than ever want to buy British, especially food.

 

[Hilly]

I think more people than ever want to buy British, especially food.

Totaly agree.

 

[som farmer]

I think there are to many unknowns, at the moment, it really depends on how long, or serious c19 gets, it's not so much about what happens in the UK, but it's effect on countries we import from, in other words, the distribution network, if we were to import chlorinated chicken, from the USA, at the moment, we couldn't, through c19, processing is at 33% of normal ! Bad example, I know, but no KFC in USAWill the effect interfere with trade routes, will countries keep food, for their own populations, will the ports function ? But subs were originally to keep food prices low, by 'topping up' the farmer, that reason went years ago.
If imported food, at a low cost, can be reliably imported, watch out. If supply chains, become erratic, or difficult, subs will continue, if UK food costs rise to much, with increased taxation, parties might find, they don't get voted in.

 

[som farmer]

I think more people than ever want to buy British, especially food.

people will say one thing going into a s/mkt, their trolley, says different, coming out. To a majority of people out there, they don't give jackshite about where it comes from, only what it costs. Sounding pompous, the people we tend to meet, are better off, than a lot of others.

 

[Doing it for the kids]

Totaly agree.

I hope you are right, I think it depends how long this all goes on for.

i suspect though that Joe Public will have very short memories and revert to how they were not long after this has calmed down. It’s not been that long really has it, not like the wars which went on for years.

i hope I am wrong though

 

[Bald Rick]

I think more people than ever want to buy British, especially food.

One would like to think so but give it a year and buy cheapest will win out.
Yankee Doodle chicken it is

 

[andybk]

I hope you are right, I think it depends how long this all goes on for.

i suspect though that Joe Public will have very short memories and revert to how they were not long after this has calmed down. It’s not been that long really has it, not like the wars which went on for years.

i hope I am wrong though

yea imagine being around for both wars , most of your life without proper income . mind you if this happens again will bring financial markets to their knees . needs serious questions over china in future especially wet markets (and air travel)

 

[spin cycle]

after ww11 farm subsidies were used as a type of fiscal stimulus....just saying

 

[Bald Rick]

yea imagine being around for both wars , most of your life without proper income . mind you if this happens again will bring financial markets to their knees . needs serious questions over china in future especially wet markets (and air travel)

Matt Hancock has already promised China that he (we) won’t point the finger at them.
Side, bread, butter etc

 

[Bald Rick]

after ww11 farm subsidies were used as a type of fiscal stimulus....just saying

Deficiency payments
Be nice to have them back but hey, the Tories and their Spads are free marketeers

 

[Hilly]

I hope you are right, I think it depends how long this all goes on for.

i suspect though that Joe Public will have very short memories and revert to how they were not long after this has calmed down. It’s not been that long really has it, not like the wars which went on for years.

i hope I am wrong though

I think people wanted British produce before cv to be honest.

 

[andybk]

I think people wanted British produce before cv to be honest.

problem is to much wearing the flag thats only packaged or cut here .public unaware