Farmers and Universal Credit

[Henarar]

How many years do you judge it over ?

5 at least

 

[Henarar]

How many years do you judge it over ?

If you judge it over 1 year then these sheep farmers that have had Schmallenburg really bad will be selling up won't they ? is this bad farming ? perhaps they will be able to claim a bit of income support ? cos if they have chucked 3 parts of their lambs in the bin plus some ewes they are not going to see much profit are they ?
Oh but its a farmer trying to claim some cash, can't have that, terrible terrible thing, dam them to hell. FFS

thats not directed at you BTW Hilly is to all those that have never had a bad time, may the sun forever shine on their life

 

[Jasper]

I know of a lot of farms who make out there doing really well but in reality there’s only so many rich aunts that die or barns to sell in a way these are all benefits

 

[Henarar]

I know of a lot of farms who make out there doing really well but in reality there’s only so many rich aunts that die or barns to sell in a way these are all benefits

Planning permision is a gov sub

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

I think you’re over thinking this, if they ask what your income is, say £800 pm for eg and show your private bank account with £800 a month going in. That’s all an employed person would do, they don’t need to see the business accounts

 

[Hilly]

If you judge it over 1 year then these sheep farmers that have had Schmallenburg really bad will be selling up won't they ? is this bad farming ? perhaps they will be able to claim a bit of income support ? cos if they have chucked 3 parts of their lambs in the bin plus some ewes they are not going to see much profit are they ?
Oh but its a farmer trying to claim some cash, can't have that, terrible terrible thing, dam them to hell. FFS

thats not directed at you BTW Hilly is to all those that have never had a bad time, may the sun forever shine on their life

This is why farmers are allowed averaging .

 

[ollie989898]

Have we decided then how we will differentiate between what a profitable and unprofitable business is? How many months or years are you intending to gauge it over? Should the guy who has 40,000 quids worth of model train shop who can't make ends meet be given tax credits or whatever they are called this week?

Are the businesses which are perpetually unprofitable (possibly because the owners made them so deliberately?) supposed to be fronted by the tax payer in perpetuity? I see, so you get paid to live by the tax payer whilst growing your capital base annually for 30 or 40 years in the meantime? That sounds great, can you let me know where I apply for this as I'm not sure working so much suits me any longer?

 

[Still Farming]

Have we decided then how we will differentiate between what a profitable and unprofitable business is? How many months or years are you intending to gauge it over? Should the guy who has 40,000 quids worth of model train shop who can't make ends meet be given tax credits or whatever they are called this week?

Are the businesses which are perpetually unprofitable (possibly because the owners made them so deliberately?) supposed to be fronted by the tax payer in perpetuity? I see, so you get paid to live by the tax payer whilst growing your capital base annually for 30 or 40 years in the meantime? That sounds great, can you let me know where I apply for this as I'm not sure working so much suits me any longer?

Interesting times with one hand out( single farm payment) transfers to another being SFI and SFS around the Country and how entered on balance sheets possibly too.

Governments make the rules not US meer mortals after all

 

[BuskhillFarm]

Morally speaking should a tax payer support what is in essence a failing/unprofitable business? We run a small family farm and the economics dictate no matter how many hours I/we spend working it does not return a sizeable profit, we had an option to diversify and get another income stream or alternatively a job away from the farm to support our family to give us the things we want and ultimately financial stability. There are plenty of folk who are unwilling or unable to make tough choices and swallow their pride and expect continuous handouts from the state and at the same time expect this to be unconditional.

They already are with BPS or your planting flowers scheme. Some farmers don’t get as good an inheritance as others so need some extra to support growing family’s. But so many are happy to spend the bps on the double cab and new fendt. Ones one universal credit are looking to spend theirs on heat and Tesco shop.

 

[Dairyfarmerswife]

I think you’re over thinking this, if they ask what your income is, say £800 pm for eg and show your private bank account with £800 a month going in. That’s all an employed person would do, they don’t need to see the business accounts

In fact I think they do - from what I've seen on the Facebook group there is quite a lot of info to be handed over monthly.

 

[B R C]

I'm always wary about actual hours worked in some situations too.
Farming is fairly unique in that you can wake up wander outside and claim to be at work.
In order to get the full picture, you really need to see what's actually happening and how productive those hours are.

My thoughts too, how many sheep do they have on their ’small’ farm.

 

[ollie989898]

In fact I think they do - from what I've seen on the Facebook group there is quite a lot of info to be handed over monthly.

I presume like a lot of things these are all means tested which is only right given that large numbers of people would have to go through the same and it's all generated from taxation at the end of the day.

 

[Cvx1170]

Has nothing to do with taxpayers or bad businesses or handouts IMO...
This is workers who are paying national insurance, they are claiming their own money

 

[johnb5555]

I seem to remember accountant saying in the past joint income of17k was the cut off for claiming.
Some years we could of claimed but would of had to repay the following year.
Can see how the new scheme would drive any self employed person mad, producing accounts every month

 

[Still Farming]

In which case you should be liquidating your Buisness and working for someone else who can run a Buisness successfully and plan cash flows and have cash in reserve for rainy days not expect the gov to bail you out… Buisness is Buisness and you need to be ruthless, not stand there with your hand out at the doll office saying the weathers been crap I’ve got a bad back and the cow cake has gone up. If a Buisness isn’t making money it’s not a Buisness, end of story. Too many people on here are clinging on to the ‘good ole life’ of buttercups and skipping through grass meadows forgetting that these farms are first and foremost businesses and need to make money.

You wake up then is it?

 

[ollie989898]

Has nothing to do with taxpayers or bad businesses or handouts IMO...
This is workers who are paying national insurance, they are claiming their own money

How in the cronk do you work that out?

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

They already are with BPS or your planting flowers scheme. Some farmers don’t get as good an inheritance as others so need some extra to support growing family’s. But so many are happy to spend the bps on the double cab and new fendt. Ones one universal credit are looking to spend theirs on heat and Tesco shop.

So some are business men doing what they can and is needed to turn a profit, the rest are just Gamblers thinking they might have a win some day

 

[Still Farming]

Let's see how "the gamblers" work out this year then.
April already here , STILL RAINING, no crops in, livestock still in , fodder disappeared, basic Bill's up and up , truly up hill struggle for many.

 

[PI Stsker]

There are some real clowns on here running businesses, running hand to mouth still trying to make it work, claiming UC to try and make it float along with all the other environmental schemes (which go straight in to the bottom line…! where’s that money going?)

It’s got a dell boy aroma to it; just carry on hope for the best and this time next year we will be millionaires!

 

[gone up the hill]

There are some real clowns on here running businesses, running hand to mouth still trying to make it work, claiming UC to try and make it float along with all the other environmental schemes (which go straight in to the bottom line…! where’s that money going?)

It’s got a dell boy aroma to it; just carry on hope for the best and this time next year we will be millionaires!

I imagine every business you work/supply services for gets tax payer support either directly or in-directly so if all that taxpayer support for those business dried up the work you do for them would soon dry up as well and then where would that leave your own business?

As has been said, if the majority of Tesco etc staff were paid £18 an hour instead of the min wage and topping it up with UC then the likes of Tesco very likely would go bang!