fastrac 4220

[rich8100]

Its the software was no good. Would have messeges about no operator, or not permitted on the screen being unable to select a drive. Also the auto part was crap. Would drop down a load of gears when pulling to a stop and then jumping a load of gears to pull away making it jump up and down when it struggled. It was just horrible to drive. Apparently the Americans love the power shift mode so they keep it on there.

 

[FarmyStu]

Its the software was no good. Would have messeges about no operator, or not permitted on the screen being unable to select a drive. Also the auto part was crap. Would drop down a load of gears when pulling to a stop and then jumping a load of gears to pull away making it jump up and down when it struggled. It was just horrible to drive. Apparently the Americans love the power shift mode so they keep it on there.

People I've spoke to say the auto part was the best. I know there were lots of updates. Hopefully they've got it right as I can see myself getting one in the years to come.....

 

[rich8100]

Oh they have. Thanks to agco.

Its basically a fendt gearbox. They did say they will go balls to the wall all out, and they have. I guess the price also reflects the tractor.

 

[Northeastfarmer]

What was fuel use like when flat out towing on the road?

 

[Clive]

Oh they have. Thanks to agco.

Its basically a fendt gearbox. They did say they will go balls to the wall all out, and they have. I guess the price also reflects the tractor.

it's not basically a fendt gearbox - it actually IS a fendt gearbox

 

[Hampton]

Am i correct in thinking the demo one is also 115 grand? How does that compare to the equivalent fendt?

 

[Rob Holmes]

it's not basically a fendt gearbox - it actually IS a fendt gearbox

...and Sisu (sorry, Agco Power) engine!

 

[Clive]

...and Sisu (sorry, Agco Power) engine!

yes a very good combination they may have actually got the Fastrac right !

 

[Andrew]

I've had a 4220 since the middle of July, it's spent all summer on a bale chaser really, but done a bit of top dressing and other work. It really is a HUGE step forward over any other Fastrac and comfier than most cars I've driven on the road.

nothing remotely big footprint on the spec ? I would want no less than 710/38 equ on a 8t tractor in our application, sahme as other than that it looks a great machine, not sure its ideal for a zero-tiller though

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I don't do much with tyre sizes but a normal tractor with 42" on the back would have 30" on the front, split 70/30 weight wise? A fastrac would be 50/50 split so, although it won't tread as lightly as some, if you try the 600R30's it will be significantly better than any other fastrac yet.

Very true. I stand corrected on the mounted sprayer then.

I think its a fantastic machine Even had a very die hard john Deere lover in it, and even he liked it, but I could tell it was hard for him to admit it...

The technology for the four wheel steer is the same they use for the forklifts. So it will be more reliable than previous models. The delayed rear wheel steer takes some getting used to and can throw the back end out.

Not sure the effect on the booms. Might throw them around at a great rate of knots.

Also needed to get used to the quick steer button. Damn it turns fast on that.

The fastrac and forklifts do not share the same technology on the steering. The fastrac uses an air and sprung pin to lock the rear axle straight, making it a lot safer on the road. Also, you can change from 4 to 2 wheel steer and back, without straightening the wheels first. The knob in the cab is the same as the loadalls though, and is a lot easier to use than the older models.

What are the GPS steering options on these? is there a steering valve fitted or optional so you can plug in and play with trimble/ JD Starfire etc?
Asked for a demo of one before harvest but nothing shown up yet despite 'we'll bring it out next week' several times Mind you it took a month to get a quote for a new loadall!!

I think they come 'Trimble Ready' but it could be an option.

What were the problems with the semi auto (P-tronic?) gearbox? I assume it was on a 3000 series? I know of a contractor that has one and gets on just fine but I have heard negative comments on the reliability of the early ones.

My 3230 was number 3 off the production line. Although I have one or two problems with the gearbox, they have been relatively minor (one rail shaft sensor and 2 thermostats). The 4220 is a huge step forwards but the 3230 is still nice to drive in my opinion. If you drive them hard and keep them calibrated they are smooth enough.

Why should you drive them hard? The problem is with the Xtra drive clutch, which is only fully disengaged above about 1600rpm. So if you are sat at junctions for ages, or doing a lot of field / roadwork at less than 1600rpm then just dip the clutch momentarily and disengage the Xtra drive to keep the gearbox cool. It's when they get warm that the problems occur. It's a bit of a faff but you soon get used to it and forget you're doing it.

 

[Clive]

Am i correct in thinking the demo one is also 115 grand? How does that compare to the equivalent fendt?

about the same basically and both slightly more than the equ JD

they have set them against the 724 really on price and spec I reckon


how fast are they now ? 724 only does 55kph rather than 65kph like the 8/900's which is a shame

 

[General-Lee]

about the same basically and both slightly more than the equ JD

they have set them against the 724 really on price and spec I reckon


how fast are they now ? 724 only does 55kph rather than 65kph like the 8/900's which is a shame

You reckon the extra momentum would of uprighted that bowser?!

 

[Andrew]

about the same basically and both slightly more than the equ JD

they have set them against the 724 really on price and spec I reckon


how fast are they now ? 724 only does 55kph rather than 65kph like the 8/900's which is a shame

60kph, 40mph. But don't forget thats a legal 40mph.

 

[Clive]

You reckon the extra momentum would of uprighted that bowser?!

speed was not a factor in that accident however. Fastracs said 80kph at one point I think and don't recall thousand of acidents but they do seem to have slowed them down in more recent models ?

 

[General-Lee]

speed was not a factor in that accident however. Fastracs said 80kph at one point I think and don't recall thousand of acidents but they do seem to have slowed them down in more recent models ?

Yeah was only jesting, struggling with ag tyres for that speed?

 

[Clive]

60kph, 40mph. But don't forget thats a legal 40mph.

The fact its legal at that speed is a great selling point what makes it legal and a 724 / 6210r not so ? all have air brakes and hydraulic suspension etc now ?

what does a 4220 weigh ? wondering what weight of grain you could legally lug about now at 40mph under the revised trailer regs if you had the right trailer ?

 

[FarmyStu]

speed was not a factor in that accident however. Fastracs said 80kph at one point I think and don't recall thousand of acidents but they do seem to have slowed them down in more recent models ?

The 80kph models are still around but they run on smaller wheels. I think they were designed for the Euro market for municipal work. You see quite a few of them in Germany.

 

[Andrew]

The fact its legal at that speed is a great selling point what makes it legal and a 724 / 6210r not so ? all have air brakes and hydraulic suspension etc now ?

what does a 4220 weigh ? wondering what weight of grain you could legally lug about now at 40mph under the revised trailer regs if you had the right trailer ?

Because JCBs have proper axle suspension. Not cab suspension. They have failsafe brakes, ABS etc. The only other tractor legal at more than 40kph is a unimog.

Not weighed mine, but based on a few tare weights, a fraction over 8t.
Remember the new rules only let you use a bigger tractor. You are still limited to a trailer gross weight of 18.29t u til that is altered. Although it's been talked about, I've seen nothing remotely concrete yet.

You can still get 80kph models, as said, but the tyres are smaller to get the speed rating so not good if you're doing much fieldwork.

 

[Clive]

Because JCBs have proper axle suspension. Not cab suspension. They have failsafe brakes, ABS etc. The only other tractor legal at more than 40kph is a unimog.

Not weighed mine, but based on a few tare weights, a fraction over 8t.
Remember the new rules only let you use a bigger tractor. You are still limited to a trailer gross weight of 18.29t u til that is altered. Although it's been talked about, I've seen nothing remotely concrete yet.

You can still get 80kph models, as said, but the tyres are smaller to get the speed rating so not good if you're doing much fieldwork.

the JCB 4000 is hydraulic suspended the same as some JD and Fendt models not just cab but full axle ? others also have ABS and fail safe air brakes I'm sure ?

good point on the trailer limit for the weights !!

 

[FarmyStu]

the JCB 4000 is hydraulic suspended the same as some JD and Fendt models not just cab but full axle ? others also have ABS and fail safe air brakes I'm sure ?

good point on the trailer limit for the weights !!

The JCB has suspension on the rear axle as well as the front. That's what makes the difference. JD tried a rear suspension setup ages ago on the 8000 series. Couldn't get it right though. If you want a tractor with full suspension and legal high travel speeds (above 25mph) then the Fastrac is the only way to go.

 

[Clive]

The JCB has suspension on the rear axle as well as the front. That's what makes the difference. JD tried a rear suspension setup ages ago on the 8000 series. Couldn't get it right though. If you want a tractor with full suspension and legal high travel speeds (above 25mph) then the Fastrac is the only way to go.

didn't realise they didn't do rear suspension anymore, our last 8000 had it so assumed it was still done