Fencing across footpaths...

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
The original use of tractors wasn't too drive slowly across the countryside in convoy on tractor runs, but people on here seem to love them! The old "footpath was for farmers to get to their fields" line is so dull and pointless.
with rights come responsibilities, the right to walk on a footpath carries the responsibility to follow it, keep on it, shut gates, not leave rubbish and I don't believe there should be a right to take a dog with you on a footpath. People seem to know all about their rights, but forget their responsibilities (conveniently), but this could be part of successive governments infantilising the population.
 

farenheit

Member
Location
Midlands
with rights come responsibilities, the right to walk on a footpath carries the responsibility to follow it, keep on it, shut gates, not leave rubbish and I don't believe there should be a right to take a dog with you on a footpath. People seem to know all about their rights, but forget their responsibilities (conveniently), but this could be part of successive governments infantilising the population.
The right to own land comes with the responsibility to allow unimpeded passage along footpaths and to follow the law. As much as inconsiderate footpath users are breaking the law , if you don't install proper gates, so are you.
 

egbert

Member
Livestock Farmer
Fascinating thread,

you want to try CROWE access land farming.
We've had fences cut.
We've had holes cut in netting to allow fat dogs (with lazy owners) through.
We get gates left open on a more or less daily basis all summer.
(and yes, propped open. One high risk one now has a 2 gate 'air lock', and a sensor sending a warning text to the neighbour for whom my bull is a problem)

They clamber dry stone walls and knock them down.
This year we've been enjoying some nasty little toe rag deliberately sneaking in to non access ground and leaving gates open.
We've tried padlocks, and he seemingly took to carrying bolt croppers!
There have been 3 separate cases this last week, each of which have led to stock getting out/mixed up.
(cost to me, something over a 'man day' in labour, and some ewes tupped by the wrong ram)

Somehow, i manage to meet these people with a cheery smile most days, because many of them are perfectly reasonable, and it does you no good to let it lie heavy on your soul.
But when I find them crossing a line....................

OP? I'd put in a stile, making it as robust, and easy to use as possible.
 
I put a stile in about 20 feet up from the footpath, people started using it instead of the footpath gate (which was stiff to use and rotting). Someone did question whether i'd sought permission to move the footpath. I told them I hadn't moved it, and that the stile was for my own use, but I said you're welcome to use it if you wish. The old gate has now overgrown! Works better as they now walk the boundary technically the old footpath is still there though. Certainly no complaints on having a stile instead of a gate.
 
Self shutting or kissing gates are the way forward. Limited mobility people can contary to belief on here walk the country side and not be able to do stiles. I know a lady who can happily walk through any terrain and does so but cannot get her self over a stile due to a leg injury. You cannot fit a stile where there hasn't already been one.
 
As a point of interest, are people using Rights of Way legally entitled to take a dog/dogs as well? Or is the Right just for people?

Legally, a public right of way is part of the Queen's highway and subject to the same protection in law as all other highways. Incidentally the surface of the path is for most purposes considered to belong to the highway authority.

People can take with them a “natural accompaniment” which includes a pram, or pushchair. They can also legally take a manual or powered wheelchair (mobility scooter). They can also take dogs but they must ensure they are under close control.
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
Classic PR for the farming industry!

No wonder Minnette distances herself from The Farming Forum!

What do you expect? In the interests of balance, a glance at any ramblers forum will show the opposite of this. Ne'er the twain shall meet.

I don't know why you chose Minette - she's busy enough not to want to read the rest of the bile directed by paid up NFU members at the management.

Back on topic, I'll take a picture of the council supplied kissing gates on a major footpath here. Auto latching gate inside. Perfect for the job. Not everything has to be a fight, just apply a bit of common sense & accept not everyone has your best interests at heart.
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
The right to own land comes with the responsibility to allow unimpeded passage along footpaths and to follow the law. As much as inconsiderate footpath users are breaking the law , if you don't install proper gates, so are you.
maybe when people bought their farms, unimpeded access meant stiles on all fences, then about 10 or 15 years ago, people (Councils?) seemed to decide unimpeded meant gates, how come?
 
maybe when people bought their farms, unimpeded access meant stiles on all fences, then about 10 or 15 years ago, people (Councils?) seemed to decide unimpeded meant gates, how come?


Disabled people were given greater rights.

It's called progress.

It's worth remembering that we're just one unfortunate slip or trip away from being disabled ourselves.
 

JCMaloney

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Location
LE9 2JG
Equality Act 2010 and making reasonable adjustments for the "protected characteristics
" will drive the councils decisions.
I find myself agreeing with @Fallowfield , its rarely a choice that folk have limiting disabilities.

Unlike...... lets say........... burglars who choose to follow that path. :)
 
Looking for some words of wisdom.. I am planning to put a new stock fence across a footpath in a few places. Am I obliged to provide anything more than a stile for footpath users? Thanks for any help!
I don't know the rules for Kent, but a farmer local to me, installed Centrewire 2-in-1 gates. Field gates, with integral pedestrian gates, that work very well for the farmers possibly available from re-supplier McVeigh Parker, in Billingshurst. The cost of steel, therefore gates, has rocketed recently.
 
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maybe when people bought their farms, unimpeded access meant stiles on all fences, then about 10 or 15 years ago, people (Councils?) seemed to decide unimpeded meant gates, how come?
Partly due to the Ramblers Assoc's preference, for 'Least restrictive' access, and the Gov'ts aim to get people out walking, to improve physical, and mental, health. many walkers cannot safely navigate a stile, that, and they are prone to rotting, and becoming defective / dangerous to use. A galvanised gate will well outlast a softwood stile, especially since the change to non-toxic preservatives.
 
The right to own land comes with the responsibility to allow unimpeded passage along footpaths and to follow the law. As much as inconsiderate footpath users are breaking the law , if you don't install proper gates, so are you.
I saw a self-closing, galvanised gate, installed at a sloping angle, supported on a wooden frame, when I was in the Highlands last week. It looked very effective, from the perspective of not being able to be left open. I don't know if they're permitted in Kent, but have asked Surrey CC what they think.
 

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Self shutting or kissing gates are the way forward. Limited mobility people can contary to belief on here walk the country side and not be able to do stiles. I know a lady who can happily walk through any terrain and does so but cannot get her self over a stile due to a leg injury. You cannot fit a stile where there hasn't already been one.
Galvanised kissing gates are simple to install, and long-lasting, three of my footpaths maintenance volunteers take around two hours to instal one, like this, in Surrey, from last Tuesday, dependent on whether there's rocks, or roots, underground. We obviously added the wooden fence, to ensure it was stock-proof, and spread type 1 underneath, to reduce slipping.
 

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Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
Galvanised kissing gates are simple to install, and long-lasting, three of my footpaths maintenance volunteers take around two hours to instal one, like this, in Surrey, from last Tuesday, dependent on whether there's rocks, or roots, underground. We obviously added the wooden fence, to ensure it was stock-proof, and spread type 1 underneath, to reduce slipping.
I would not want kissing gates here, my view is if people want a kissing gate, buy their own farm and put them there.
 

Pan mixer

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Near Colchester
Galvanised kissing gates are simple to install, and long-lasting, three of my footpaths maintenance volunteers take around two hours to instal one, like this, in Surrey, from last Tuesday, dependent on whether there's rocks, or roots, underground. We obviously added the wooden fence, to ensure it was stock-proof, and spread type 1 underneath, to reduce slipping.
We are not supposed to have that sort now - not wheelchair friendly. I pointed out that the rest of the footpath wasn't either and they said well it should be.
 
I would not want kissing gates here, my view is if people want a kissing gate, buy their own farm and put them there.
I think you'll find, Kent CC will have firm views on what is, or is not, appropriate, as a stock-proof barrier, on the Kent public footpaths network. Just because things were different, 50 years ago, it doesn't mean landowners now have autonomy, in regards to footpaths furniture. I'm a team lead, for a group of ten Surrey footpaths maintenance volunteers. I feel sure the Kent CC Footopaths Access Team, will have firm regulations, and expectations.
 
The problem being, you have to replace all gates etc, along a whole footpath, in one go, or people with mobility issues, will get trapped. That, and many fields will simply not be viable, for wheelchairs, or buggies. There is currently a massive shortfall, in availability of approved gates. Kent's preferred supplier, in Loughborough, has only got 8 in stock right now. I spoke to them yesterday. Ideal world, and realistic probability, are never the same thing. Maybe they have a sawmill in mind, that can supply adequate mixed wood kissing gates? Hardwood posts, with softwood gate and rails. I can't find one right now.
 

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