Fendt vs. Deere

[Frankzy]

Do you believe everything a salesman's tells you?

What... How.. How does that question even make sense?
I'm explaining how things actually work, if anything I should ask you.

 

[Ducati899]

After running both Deere & fendt,my opinion is boost is

 

[Ben B]

What... How.. How does that question even make sense?
I'm explaining how things actually work, if anything I should ask you.

After reading a boucher from New holland Au market the t7 230 as Rated hp 180 with 45 hp boost to 225 hp with a boosted hp of 200 hp. I know it does during work so I'll take that. Don't rate your self too highly frankzy your explanation took a few reads and still doesn't make total sense to me. But from what I read the boost adds hp to keep the engine performing at 180/200 shaft hp plus what ever the amount of power is need for propulsion.

 

[Ben B]

https://www.fendt.com/int/tractors/700-vario-highlights at the bottom has the link to that page. The way that reads a 722 would be a closer comparison to t7 230 with a maximum hp of 22#

 

[Frankzy]

Don't rate your self too highly frankzy your explanation took a few reads and still doesn't make total sense to me. But from what I read the boost adds hp to keep the engine performing at 180/200 shaft hp plus what ever the amount of power is need for propulsion.

You'll have to excuse me for not wielding English perfectly, it is only my third language after all...

You are talking about rated and max horsepower at the same time when they are two different things. Rated is horsepower at 2200rpm while max is the max achieved at any point, typically around 18-1900, today there is really no reason to deal with rated horsepower since it only invites confusion as we've seen..

The NH doesn't boost 45 hp it boosts 25 hp, it's always 200hp on the flywheel and then boosts to 225.

I don't quite understand what you're saying about boost working to maintain two different shaft power levels..?
I already explained how boost works, was that the part where I failed to make myself understood?

 

[Ben B]

You'll have to excuse me for not wielding English perfectly, it is only my third language after all...

You are talking about rated and max horsepower at the same time when they are two different things. Rated is horsepower at 2200rpm while max is the max achieved at any point, typically around 18-1900, today there is really no reason to deal with rated horsepower since it only invites confusion as we've seen..

The NH doesn't boost 45 hp it boosts 25 hp, it's always 200hp on the flywheel and then boosts to 225.

I don't quite understand what you're saying about boost working to maintain two different shaft power levels..?
I already explained how boost works, was that the part where I failed to make myself understood?

Sorry didn't mean to insult your English skills(already better then mine with 2 other languages) I only quoted the 45 hp boost since that what the boucher I read quoted 45 hp boost from a rated 180 hp to rated hp of 225 hp. The maximum (not rated maximum) is the PTO usable hps and maximum rated is flywheel thing yes?

 

[Ben B]

Sorry didn't mean to insult your English skills(already better then mine with 2 other languages) I only quoted the 45 hp boost since that what the boucher I read quoted 45 hp boost from a rated 180 hp to rated hp of 225 hp. The maximum (not rated maximum) is the PTO usable hps and maximum rated is flywheel thing yes?

If I can interpret the fendt boucher correctly maximum hp (not rated maximum) on 720 is 209hp meaning that would be a closer model to a t7230 then a 724

 

[Frankzy]

I only quoted the 45 hp boost since that what the boucher I read quoted 45 hp boost from a rated 180 hp to rated hp of 225 hp. The maximum (not rated maximum) is the PTO usable hps and maximum rated is flywheel thing yes?

No both rated and max power is measured at the flywheel. The only difference is that rated power is measured at the engine's rated speed, typically 2200 rpm, while max power is the max it achieves at any point in the rev range, usually around 18-1900 rpm.

I think you're talking about this graph when you say 45 hp boost but they do that by including the rise in power when you go from rated to max power.. Sneaky buggers.

 

[Ben B]

No both rated and max power is measured at the flywheel. The only difference is that rated power is measured at the engine's rated speed, typically 2200 rpm, while max power is the max it achieves at any point in the rev range, usually around 18-1900 rpm.

I think you're talking about this graph when you say 45 hp boost but they do that by including the rise in power when you go from rated to max power.. Sneaky buggars.

Yea that graph must display the text I read.

 

[mf7480]

After running both Deere & fendt,my opinion is boost is

I think I agree

Looking forward to seeing how a 6195m compares on heavy PTO work to a 155r when the M arrives later in the summer. Both supposed to be ~200hp max, the R is boosted, the M is always available.

 

[Ben B]

I think I agree

Looking forward to seeing how a 6195m compares on heavy PTO work to a 155r when the M arrives later in the summer. Both supposed to be ~200hp max, the R is boosted, the M is always available.

Deere's ire and UK website say 171 max hp for the R series 155? She had a fiddle?

 

[mf7480]

Deere's ire and UK website say 171 max hp for the R series 155? She had a fiddle?

171 max off boost, 203 on boost

 

[Ben B]

171 max off boost, 203 on boost

Yep she what you mean 171 then there a 40 hp boost on top of that. What gear box did you go for?

 

[mf7480]

Yep she what you mean 171 then there a 40 hp boost on top of that. What gear box did you go for?

The 155 is autopower, the M will be autoquad

 

[daveydiesel1]

https://www.fendt.com/int/tractors/700-vario-highlights at the bottom has the link to that page. The way that reads a 722 would be a closer comparison to t7 230 with a maximum hp of 22#

Would u say the 718 would be a good buy as it runs the same tranny as the 724 which should either leave it more reliable or u could remap it to 220hp and it still wouldnt do no damage

 

[James]

Would u say the 718 would be a good buy as it runs the same tranny as the 724 which should either leave it more reliable or u could remap it to 220hp and it still wouldnt do no damage

Different sized front hubs and a few other things that I can't remember

 

[Blue.]

Different sized front hubs and a few other things that I can't remember

Nope,only difference is the gearbox is quoted as HD,been through the parts book and quoted on here before.

Fendt don’t quote a pto figure,my 724 is 228 at the shaft,my cvx 240 is 240 at the shaft,the 240 will leave the 724 for dead.

My 6150r was 175 at the shaft as standard,was a gutless piece of shite and was the last new deere I bought.

 

[daveydiesel1]

Nope,only difference is the gearbox is quoted as HD,been through the parts book and quoted on here before.

Fendt don’t quote a pto figure,my 724 is 228 at the shaft,my cvx 240 is 240 at the shaft,the 240 will leave the 724 for dead.

My 6150r was 175 at the shaft as standard,was a gutless piece of shite and was the last new deere I bought.

The case tranny is probably less power hungry as it has 4 ranges. The fendt tranny is the nicest cvt to drive though

 

[Frankzy]

The case tranny is probably less power hungry as it has 4 ranges. The fendt tranny is the nicest cvt to drive though

Main reason for the difference is that the 724 is a 240hp engine at max power, Case meanwhile uses rated power when they brand their models so the Puma 240 is 240hp at rated speed and once you've dropped down to about 1700rpm it's risen to ~260..
And then on top of that it has a 10hp boost bringing it up to 270hp while boosting.

I can't really agree that the Fendt transmission is nicer to drive, between the two I'd rather take the Case.

 

[Finn farmer]

Main reason for the difference is that the 724 is a 240hp engine at max power, Case meanwhile uses rated power when they brand their models so the Puma 240 is 240hp at rated speed and once you've dropped down to about 1700rpm it's risen to ~260..
And then on top of that it has a 10hp boost bringing it up to 270hp while boosting.

I can't really agree that the Fendt transmission is nicer to drive, between the two I'd rather take the Case.

Some farmers rate Cvx over Vario for silage, they say that the Cvx won't "give up" when reversing on to the pit. But take this with a grain of salt.

I do like both.