First aid kit

[JMM]

After doing my last first aid course with an ex army medic, my chainsaw kit now contains a pack of Celox granules, which are fairly inexpensive.

Celox Haemostatic Granules

Celox Haemostatic Granules The Celox haemostatic granules quickly form a plug in real experience this stops most bleeding within one minute (see

www.first-aid-online.co.uk

 

[ollie989898]

After doing my last first aid course with an ex army medic, my chainsaw kit now contains a pack of Celox granules, which are fairly inexpensive.

Celox Haemostatic Granules

Celox Haemostatic Granules The Celox haemostatic granules quickly form a plug in real experience this stops most bleeding within one minute (see

www.first-aid-online.co.uk

For stuff like this and based on the kind of injuries you guys may likely see in the ag/hort and forestry fields I've said for a long time that the NFU or someone similar should be organising for someone to come and give proper first aid training and how to deal with something other than the cuts and grazes you might suffer in an office environment.

 

[JMM]

For stuff like this and based on the kind of injuries you guys may likely see in the ag/hort and forestry fields I've said for a long time that the NFU or someone similar should be organising for someone to come and give proper first aid training and how to deal with something other than the cuts and grazes you might suffer in an office environment.

Celox isnt technical though - rip the top off the pack with your hand or failing that, your teeth, tip it into the wound, apply pressure, and hopefully you won't bleed out. It's all about keeping you alive until you can get medical assistance. Same with a tourniquet, it's all pretty basic stuff, and most training through rural skills centres etc is tailored to the type of people attending.

 

[ollie989898]

Celox isnt technical though - rip the top off the pack with your hand or failing that, your teeth, tip it into the wound, apply pressure, and hopefully you won't bleed out. It's all about keeping you alive until you can get medical assistance. Same with a tourniquet, it's all pretty basic stuff, and most training through rural skills centres etc is tailored to the type of people attending.

I would not class these things as being basic by any means. The main point is that given the location some members of this forum farm in, it could be some time before any of the emergency services arrive.

 

[JMM]

I would not class these things as being basic by any means.

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Celox Haemostatic Granules Description​

CELOX's new technology is proven to clot blood in just 30 seconds. It clots blood containing anticoagulants in the same 30 seconds. It is packed in robust, lightweight and pocket sized pouches with easy tear access. There is no need to carefully measure or cautiously apply the CELOX. The entire contents can be poured into a wound and pressure applied. It's an emergency product that you can depend on to help control abnormal bleeding.

• Clots blood in 30 seconds
• Significantly reduces blood loss
• Clots blood containing anti-coagulants such as Coumadin, Heparin and Warfarin
• Is effective in clotting hypothermic blood
• Generates no heat
• Is simple and safe to use and remove
• Requires no specific training

Taken from the manufacturers website.

 

[David.]

I would think a big risk in a massive arterial bleed or traumatic amputation scenario, might be the people who could help freezing with shock and watching you bleed out.
Combat medics will unfortunately have seen this stuff before, done the training in realistic mock ups, and know how to act instantly.

 

[David.]

David. said:
Any chance of a defibrillator group buy price through Farmdeals, etc?
Don't fancy driving 2 miles to borrow a starter pack if someone I valued was sparko in the yard.

good idea - @Farmdeals ?

@Farmdeals
Did this go anywhere please?

 

[Ed @ Farmdeals]

David. said:
Any chance of a defibrillator group buy price through Farmdeals, etc?
Don't fancy driving 2 miles to borrow a starter pack if someone I valued was sparko in the yard.

@Farmdeals
Did this go anywhere please?

We're following up with a company who will be able to supply.

Hopefully we should have some positive news for you soon.

As soon as we have some news I'll post it in here.

 

[Jimdog1]

Recently did a 1st aid course with a Royal life saving society trainer. Despite being miffed at having to do it for farm assurance I thoroughly enjoyed the day. Well worth my time and who knows, I may need it one day?

 

[slackjawedyokel]

Recently did a 1st aid course with a Royal life saving society trainer. Despite being miffed at having to do it for farm assurance I thoroughly enjoyed the day. Well worth my time and who knows, I may need it one day?

Is a first aid course compulsory for FA these days?

 

[Jimdog1]

Is a first aid course compulsory for FA these days?

Beic lionmark for laying hens.

 

[Willie adie]

Make sure that you get the defib checked/serviced on a regular basis & keep an eye on expiry dates for the pads.

I was told if you have a defib by law you have to keep it charged up.
As first aider at thainstone we had an incident when a guy collapsed, and unfortunately died, another first aider who was on the scene was a wreck she had to go home, I asked the managers to get the de fib, that had been gifted to the mart, by fundraisers only to be told they didn't know where it was and it had never been charged up,
I thought that was a disgrace they didn't even pay for it a lot of effort had been made by others, and yet they couldnt give to figs to make sure it was always usable

 

[TheTallGuy]

I was told if you have a defib by law you have to keep it charged up.
As first aider at thainstone we had an incident when a guy collapsed, and unfortunately died, another first aider who was on the scene was a wreck she had to go home, I asked the managers to get the de fib, that had been gifted to the mart, by fundraisers only to be told they didn't know where it was and it had never been charged up,
I thought that was a disgrace they didn't even pay for it a lot of effort had been made by others, and yet they couldnt give to figs to make sure it was always usable

There's no explicit law that says you must keep a defib charged, however under The Health and Safety at Work Act 1974 it's possible that a business could be held to have been negligent if they fail to adequately maintain a piece of safety related equipment recommended or mandated by a risk assessment. Also PUWER 1998 requires that equipment provided in the workplace should be adequately maintained.

An interesting quirk of UK law is that there's no general legal requirement to render assistance to a person in medical distress, thus we have the situation where even an appointed first aider can stand watching a person die of heart attack without breaking the law aside from a possible breach of contract with their employer.

 

[ollie989898]

To be fair unless you have had the training I suspect the average by stander wouldn't be able to do effective chest compressions anyway. You really do need to have been trained at least once. I would hope that all students leaving agricultural college on any course would be first aid trained to some degree.

There really should be an organisation who offer proper real-deal training courses for you guys in agriculture/horticulture and forestry, some of you are literally out in the wilds miles from anywhere. Yes, I know there are helicopters these days but they have to find you first and find somewhere to land and if the weather is pish-poor they won't fly. If you are a sizeable business or a member of a machinery ring or something you should be able to get a sizeable gathering of people and find someone to teach you some proper first aid. The sort of things the HSE specify as a little box on the wall for offices will be pretty pointless on a farm given the nature of potential injuries involved.

 

[capfits]

To be fair unless you have had the training I suspect the average by stander wouldn't be able to do effective chest compressions anyway. You really do need to have been trained at least once. I would hope that all students leaving agricultural college on any course would be first aid trained to some degree.

There really should be an organisation who offer proper real-deal training courses for you guys in agriculture/horticulture and forestry, some of you are literally out in the wilds miles from anywhere. Yes, I know there are helicopters these days but they have to find you first and find somewhere to land and if the weather is pish-poor they won't fly. If you are a sizeable business or a member of a machinery ring or something you should be able to get a sizeable gathering of people and find someone to teach you some proper first aid. The sort of things the HSE specify as a little box on the wall for offices will be pretty pointless on a farm given the nature of potential injuries involved.

Fly paragliders for a hobby, and the unfortunate truth is do it long enough and you will see mashed folk.
As a consequence we coach new pilots to attempt to reduce incidents but also organise first aid courses every second year, with an emphasis on types of injuries and locations we will have them to aid the decision making process, because frankly there ain't always a right answer.
The deliverer of course makes a huge difference, particularly if they have the lived experience. This years guy had been a paramedic, but was now with BASP and an active mountain rescuer. He had seen it a good few times, knew the issues, the misses, the pressures that responders met at isolated incidents and told the truth, it is hard.
Apart from, blood,circulation breathing stuff the things that really stuck with me were, more to do with little pieces of equipment.
The humble triangle bandage tie a knot in right angle corner helps amazingly support an arm instead of peeing around positioning stuff.
Aspirin no paracetamol or ibuprofen
And a thing called a Sam splint which could greatly help support breaks if you someone needs to move after a break, dislocation .

BASP

https://www.basp.org.uk/first-aid-training-courses/outdoor-emergency-first-aid/

Sam splints

sam splint - Google Search

As for actual first aid or at least resuscitation training, I am lead to believe it is a statutory requirement in some countries prior to getting a driving license.

 

[badger nadgers]

For stuff like this and based on the kind of injuries you guys may likely see in the ag/hort and forestry fields I've said for a long time that the NFU or someone similar should be organising for someone to come and give proper first aid training and how to deal with something other than the cuts and grazes you might suffer in an office environment.

There's people around our way that do things like that, although I've no experience of them myself

First Aid Courses Archives - High Peak First Aid

 

[ollie989898]

There's people around our way that do things like that, although I've no experience of them myself

First Aid Courses Archives - High Peak First Aid

That looks pretty good value though I can't say I've ever had anything to do with this kind of thing.

 

[badger nadgers]

It is packed in robust, lightweight and pocket sized pouches with easy tear access. There is no need to carefully measure or cautiously apply the CELOX. The entire contents can be poured into a wound and pressure applied. It's an emergency product that you can depend on to help control abnormal bleeding.

I went with the Celox gauze instead of the granules as I could see it being washed out with rain, and difficult to get in if the wound is underneath. Your packing and compressing anyhow, so might as well have something that helps with that too. YMMV.