Food production incentives

[Lincsman]

Question for those who have studied every defra proposal etc;
In 5 years time will there be any incentives to produce food, need to know before I buy any more new shiney metal, apart from maybe a 12m topper?

 

[Formatted]

What do you mean by incentives? Do you mean the countryside productivity scheme? That pot of money has gone. They are going to next year, maybe this year, have a new scheme that is open all the time and isn't time-gated, it will be for similar things that were in the CSPG. Its the sort of thing they can do now that BPS is reducing, they'll start to put more money into schemes like this.

 

[delilah]

In 5 years time there will be plenty of incentives to produce food. Fundamentally the only incentive you need; higher prices. Govt policy will include UK purchasing policies for state sector caterers, measures to curb the power of supermarkets, and an 'eat British to save the planet' campaign to reduce food miles.
(sorry, delirious with tiredness, lambing n calving )

 

[farmerm]

From government, no. Most MPs don't give a monkeys if you or I produce food or if it just all arrives on a boat. However if it has slipped past you unnoticed, government incentives to produce food largely got pulled once payments become decoupled from production when SFP arrived in 2005. The only incentive to produce food has for the last 15-20 years come from the markets and like most business, they pay as little as they can get away with.

 

[Hindsight]

Question for those who have studied every defra proposal etc;
In 5 years time will there be any incentives to produce food, need to know before I buy any more new shiney metal, apart from maybe a 12m topper?

Price of wheat

 

[B'o'B]

Food production isn’t classed as a ‘public good’ so falls outside of what has been said will be funded. That is your starting point. The boundaries may blur a bit but fundamentally current government policy is “food production needs to pay for itself, if it doesn’t we aren’t interested.”
That’s quite a simplistic summary, but not a million miles wide of the mark.

 

[Lincsman]

Price of wheat

Why after 50 years will that change?, (disregarding a few blips?)

 

[B'o'B]

Incase it helps your thoughts, my last machinery purchase was a 4.6m batwing topper.

 

[Lincsman]

What do you mean by incentives? Do you mean the countryside productivity scheme? That pot of money has gone. They are going to next year, maybe this year, have a new scheme that is open all the time and isn't time-gated, it will be for similar things that were in the CSPG. Its the sort of thing they can do now that BPS is reducing, they'll start to put more money into schemes like this.

I mean an incentive to not grow stuff for the birds or grow wild flowers as thats all i can see is whats really wanted at the moment.

 

[Hindsight]

Why after 50 years will that change?, (disregarding a few blips?)

No idea. But your original post had the statement 'will there be any incentives to produce' and I replied - price of wheat. Meant to add the word depends. And so it does. Price of wheat may or may not be an incentive. Suppose will depend on the individual, their situation. But so long as government doesn't make it compulsory to produce wheat if owning / occupying land the choice will be yours. Is kind of what you were alluding to, I guess, as a sprat to catch a mackerel!?

 

[B'o'B]

I mean an incentive to not grow stuff for the birds or grow wild flowers as thats all i can see is whats really wanted at the moment.

Ah the penny is starting to fall!

 

[Lincsman]

Incase it helps your thoughts, my last machinery purchase was a 4.6m batwing topper.

Toppers may become the new "what pickup" in threads

 

[Formatted]

I mean an incentive to not grow stuff for the birds or grow wild flowers

There is an election in 2024/25 things might change then but the current regime is very much focused on producing less food and more natural capital. Whether you like that or not if you want taxpayers money you have to deliver public good.

 

[Hindsight]

There is an election in 2024/25 things might change then but the current regime is very much focused on producing less food and more natural capital. Whether you like that or not if you want taxpayers money you have to deliver public good.

Am not sure it is accurate to say 'very much focussed on producing less' I don't think that comes into government thinking. If they were then a proper set aside scheme would be introduced to stop those crazy farmers sowing wheat. No they are though interested in stimulating other things done with land. And there is a difference.

 

[B'o'B]

There is an election in 2024/25 things might change then but the current regime is very much focused on producing less food and more natural capital. Whether you like that or not if you want taxpayers money you have to deliver public good.

Which particular political party is likely to radically change the current direction?
Labour? Lib Dems? Greens? None seem particularly likely candidates for even slowing the direction of travel, nevermind reversing it!

Or are you thinking of starting a new Agriculturalist party that will sweep to power in a surprise victory?

 

[Brisel]

Toppers may become the new "what pickup" in threads

[devilsadvocate] That was supposed to happen with the Mid Term Review, where payments were decoupled from land use for the Single Payment System. It never did happen. Other than market economics, why should it happen now? [/devilsadvocate]

 

[Brisel]

Question for those who have studied every defra proposal etc;
In 5 years time will there be any incentives to produce food, need to know before I buy any more new shiney metal, apart from maybe a 12m topper?

As above, the government will leave the viability of food production to the market forces. Whether you choose to use any surplus from environmental payments to subsidise your farming habit is up to you!

 

[Lincsman]

[devilsadvocate] That was supposed to happen with the Mid Term Review, where payments were decoupled from land use for the Single Payment System. It never did happen. Other than market economics, why should it happen now? [/devilsadvocate]

Because in my case i reduced cropping due to workload and had more fallow as the BPS showed a profit on its own, now to show the profit it will need flowers on it.

 

[Pluto]

Am I the only one who thinks this environmental stuff is just a lot of wishy washy nonsense?
From what I can make of it, the government seems to be actively trying to reduce food production while covering the countryside with pretty flowers,while half the world is starving.
As for planting trees everywhere, our forefathers spent generations clearing trees and their roots to improve the land. To now plant this land back to trees is very shortsighted, as you can’t just flip it back to food production when you need to, which we will at sometime in the not to distant future.
The problem is that environmentalists have got into positions of power and politicians have fallen for their misguided views hook line and sinker.
As for the £3 billion quid, I can’t help thinking that most of that is going to end up in the hands of advisors and “consultants”.
Rant over.

 

[Lincsman]

Am I the only one who thinks this environmental stuff is just a lot of wishy washy nonsense?
From what I can make of it, the government seems to be actively trying to reduce food production while covering the countryside with pretty flowers,while half the world is starving.
As for planting trees everywhere, our forefathers spent generations clearing trees and their roots to improve the land. To now plant this land back to trees is very shortsighted, as you can’t just flip it back to food production when you need to, which we will at sometime in the not to distant future.
The problem is that environmentalists have got into positions of power and politicians have fallen for their misguided views hook line and sinker.
As for the £3 billion quid, I can’t help thinking that most of that is going to end up in the hands of advisors and “consultants”.
Rant over.

All true, but a real shortage of food is the only way wheat will get over £400/tonne, so we can farm half the land for the same income.