You got further than I did, four words in, '1000 Ha estate' and I just binned it into the utterly irrelevant category.
For those farming less than 200 acres.
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You got further than I did, four words in, '1000 Ha estate' and I just binned it into the utterly irrelevant category.
Actually I had another go at it and apparently they're making a profit. Go them on 2500 acres. Lesson for us all.
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did you watch the youtube vid ? easier than wading through the defa double speak , quite sensible theory that seems to be working ,
although cant see it working on rented ground , one man builds the fertility , the next after a few years (prob paying a higher rent) seeing its ripe for mining , plunders it
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I watched it, would be nice to have seen a version filmed on a 65 ha estate. Well done to the guy, farming to his principals but I guess he is claiming an enormous bps so that helps enormously. Elms as it stands is going to knock a hole in his budgeting. I wonder if he were to tour Clive's farm if he would recognise the same kind of regenerative agriculture? Were I to turn the land I farm over to Henry's kind of farming and accept the level of support currently on offer then I believe my business would fail. Current stock prices and pushing on look more attractive. 
I watched it, would be nice to have seen a version filmed on a 65 ha estate. Well done to the guy, farming to his principals but I guess he is claiming an enormous bps so that helps enormously. Elms as it stands is going to knock a hole in his budgeting. I wonder if he were to tour Clive's farm if he would recognise the same kind of regenerative agriculture? Were I to turn the land I farm over to Henry's kind of farming and accept the level of support currently on offer then I believe my business would fail. Current stock prices and pushing on look more attractive.
100%. If ELMS fails to reverse the decline in critical mass in UK ag then it fails in its entirety. In the absence of folks coming up with other suggestions then I can see only one way to achieve this; weighted payments on the SFI options.
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THing is is the 70% uptake going to be from beginning of transformation of sfi or when its fully implemented 2027 ? i can see a huge number going to take the retirement option that are already retired and renting the land out to neighbours , then those totally reliant on the BSP will give up in next 5 years , by 2027 the 70% uptake will look more achievable amongst those that are left .
A good question: Is the target of 70% participation based on the number of BPS claimants today, or in 2027 ?
@Janet Hughes Defra
edit: supplementary question: In designing ELMS, Defra are presumably working to a number of criteria ? Is critical mass, ie the number of people employed in each sector, one of them ?
The target is for 2028, but we aim to get there as quickly as we can. It's 70% of farmers and farm land, not 70% of BPS claimants.
It's based on the number of farmers and farmland in 2028 (not the number of BPS claimants)
And yes we're working to a wider set of goals about productivity and environment, climate and animal health and welfare goals - we'll be publishing more about that soon
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do rspb etc , count as farmers ?
Is 70% the level where you think there's a sufficient level of control Janet
Thanks for getting me tagged in on this so I could see it - I think we all recognise we have a lot to do to build trust in what we're doing so that it doesn't feel so one-sided or risky. We've started making some improvements towards that (eg by improving the way inspections work for BPS and Countryside Stewardship: https://defrafarming.blog.gov.uk/20...inspections-and-make-penalties-proportionate/ We have a lot more to do, we're working on it, and I hope you'll see in the information we'll be publishing shortly about the sustainable farming scheme that we've heard this feedback and are responding to it.
It's where we think it's possible to get to, based on previous schemes and our research so far about potential take-up of new schemes - we'll keep this under close observation as we roll out new schemes. We're already seeing promising signs though, for example applications for Countryside Stewardship have doubled since 2018: https://defrafarming.blog.gov.uk/20...-you-should-consider-countryside-stewardship/
If an organisation has a farm then yes, that would count as a farm and farmed land
It is 70% of farms and farmers, and also 70% of farmed land, by the end of the agricultural transition (2028)
70% of farms
70% of farmers
70% of farmed land.
I'm struggling. Do we need a venn diagram or something to explain that ?
Yeah, but that list misses out the one I asked about.
edit: In point of fact, 'productivity' could be taken to be striving for the polar opposite of the one I asked about.
Sorry Delilah, can you expand a bit on the bit of the question I missed so I can better understand where you're coming from please?
Organisations will take up on your schemes as they'll probably lose less money
Nothing I've seen yet has even tweeked my interest , why's that ?