What will you charge to make money out of that job , Ive never seen money made on long draws with any system because the farmer just wont pay enough.
Forage wagon - I don't believe the hype
- Thread starter smcapstick
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Aye but shes getting new rubbers on the front this week so it will walk on water now
Thats cause its level
Greed
Why won't they? Round here grass is chopped by the acre trailers are charged by the hour long leads just means adding extra trailers
- Location
- Acton Scott, South Shropshire
Speedstar, your the kind of chap who will never be convinced by reasoned argument so I will leave you to your willy waving and running around for a few quid profit whilst I crack on not being a silly fool
multi power
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- pembrokeshire
hillman
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- Wicklow Ireland
Here in Ireland there are over 100 new wagons sold this year , with a big swing ay from sp silage
Just to counter that James according to the farming indo class sold out off sp and it all the other makes sold well , with 20+ sp sold here this year , kinda contradicts the job a bit
It's horses for courses
Just to counter that James according to the farming indo class sold out off sp and it all the other makes sold well , with 20+ sp sold here this year , kinda contradicts the job a bit
It's horses for courses
More fool the farmer for hauling it that far .keep more cows haul sh!t miles .send more milk get a crap price .The never ending cycle of farming!
One of the biggest plus points to the wagon system is the flexibility they offer smaller farmers or larger farms that want to cut blocks as they ready instead of waiting and cutting everything together.
I agree that in areas with alot of maize and wc spfh will always be required but for grass the wagons have many plus points and no negatives if the job is done properly.
In dry weather we tend to split the wagons up and alot of the farms do the pit themselves. In broken weather this is where single wagon outfits loose v sp but we pair them or put 3 together & with fendt 936 on the pit its every bit as fast as any sp system with exactly the same amount of grass fitting into the same pit space.
For grass i recon that wagons save app £10-15acre on average, once you count reduced fuel use in as well so across the county thats alot of money. Even on a large dairy doing 3cuts of say 250acres the saving is worth consideration aside from any claimed cow benefits. (I feel any benefits need proved on a farm to farm basis rather than as a rule)
If anyone wants any specific info on the wagon system then please post and i will do my best to answer based on our experience so far.
I agree that in areas with alot of maize and wc spfh will always be required but for grass the wagons have many plus points and no negatives if the job is done properly.
In dry weather we tend to split the wagons up and alot of the farms do the pit themselves. In broken weather this is where single wagon outfits loose v sp but we pair them or put 3 together & with fendt 936 on the pit its every bit as fast as any sp system with exactly the same amount of grass fitting into the same pit space.
For grass i recon that wagons save app £10-15acre on average, once you count reduced fuel use in as well so across the county thats alot of money. Even on a large dairy doing 3cuts of say 250acres the saving is worth consideration aside from any claimed cow benefits. (I feel any benefits need proved on a farm to farm basis rather than as a rule)
If anyone wants any specific info on the wagon system then please post and i will do my best to answer based on our experience so far.
A few years ago we had a forage waggon in to finish silage at one of our farms due to both our ageing trailed foragers crapping themselves. The forage waggon was very impressive in terms of output. Wasn't as easy to handle on the pit but wasn't too bad. Normally tractor and buckrake on its own but we put a tractor on to tramp as well. It was decided after that season of breakdowns that there was to be a new trailed forager or a waggon. Each has its benefits to our system but we eventually went for a new lely storm. The main reason we didn't choose a waggon was all 3 of our pits are filled to capacity (and perhaps then some!) We just simply couldn't get the same amount of silage in the pit as we could with a chopper. I admit it probably can be done but I am going on our equipment and what is available to us.
This is just a random thought....is there any reason why silage going into a forage waggon cant be pre chopped a little somehow. perhaps a moco that has knifes instead of tines that half chopped it. surely would help chop it a little more. obviously has to be able to pick it up still. perhaps talking out my arse but just a thought....
This is just a random thought....is there any reason why silage going into a forage waggon cant be pre chopped a little somehow. perhaps a moco that has knifes instead of tines that half chopped it. surely would help chop it a little more. obviously has to be able to pick it up still. perhaps talking out my arse but just a thought....
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RobFZS
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SillyPhily
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- Wexford, Ireland
Wagon users sound like no-til advocates.
Your right hillman , there are 20 new sp harvesters sold here this season , but 10 years ago there 45/50 new machines going out.
What was the average hp of foragers 10 yrs ago compared to now?
no there are 2 silly wee boys on here,one uses a wagon the other an sp both are as childish as each other.the rest just get on with what suits there system the best with out giving 2 hoots about what the neighbour does or any one else.if it works for you that's all that matters.
Old dog
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holywell farmer
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- holywell, north wales
what have you got in the tractor fleet know then ?
holywell farmer
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- holywell, north wales
why not if fill the pit just sell the excess silage ?
the pit may be full but it does not equate to the same tonnage in the pit due to longer chop. I am not saying it can't be done but after the waggon was in I was really surprised how full the pit was and how much it sunk after. thought with 2 tractors had we had tramped it really well. we simply just don't have anymore room in our pits.....we already fill them well above the sides and the basic problem with the waggon is they would be even fuller for the same amount of tonnage. its the same the opposite way I would imagine....a sp would/ can chop it more than the lely and would be easier to get a little more in as shorter the chop, the easier it is too compact.
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- Oxfordshire
I clamped some grass picked up with a wagon today.a farmer we were in chopping for had a pottinger wagon on demo and he picked up a few loads, what some rubbish that was, some of the grass was easily a foot long I think you would need a clamp twice the size, not sure if he had it set up wrong but I was very disappointed.