Ford Ranger 3.2 or wait for new 2 litre

[Henery]

At the risk of starting a heated pickup debate.....
time to update my 2012 Navara, really like the Ranger,bit gruff when pulling hard but good spec and very comfortable, not heard anything too bad bout them.
Really like the Hilux but lack zip and the dealers don’t seem to give a stuff whether they sell you a truck or not.
Back to the title, in June Ford releases the 2 litre bi turbo Wildtrack, more power and torque and a ten speed auto. Attractive spec which “should” be more economical. I’m under no illusions about the 3.2 models thirst!
What to do ? The deal on a 3.2 looks ok, especially with NFU discount, or wait for the 2 litre, which will probably be a bit more money but at least the current model.

 

[Drillman]

The 3.2 is a lovely big lazy lump of an engine. I’m on my second and would have another in a heartbeat.

I would worry that the 2.0 lacks torque across the Rev range which is why it has a 10 speed auto box rather than a 6 speed.

 

[Deutzdx3]

No replacement for displacement. Hence I’m putting a 5.9 Cummins in my defender. Go with the last 3.2 if you’re not to worried about fuel consumption. [emoji106] put a pic up when you decide.

 

[Cowabunga]

A long overdue topic.

The 3.2 is currently a bargain if you get it from the bigger dealers/distributors/truck-centres.
There is not likely to be any lack of torque from the new 2.0 twin turbo at any revs above idle. It is likely to be a better engine all round than the current generation and has already been around long enough to be well proven. Low end torque is certainly not the reason Ford are fitting a ten speed auto. This is going to take over from the license built ZF six speed design they currently fit and should provide greater start-off under load performance and acceleration plus an overall fuel economy improvement to add to the engine's greater efficiency.

However, for a good while the new model is likely to be thousands more expensive than the current models.

 

[Adam@Rumen]

Newer Navara?

 

[Henery]

Newer Navara?

Neighbor has a new Navara and is happy, looks a decent machine but the local dealer is.....in my experience... at best carp...
Ranger looks a better deal to me....

 

[Karliboy]

No replacement for displacement. Hence I’m putting a 5.9 Cummins in my defender. Go with the last 3.2 if you’re not to worried about fuel consumption. [emoji106] put a pic up when you decide.

Are you creating a build thread and pics for this project. Would be interesting

 

[Flat 10]

Get the big one Jealous

 

[avag]

No replacement for displacement. Hence I’m putting a 5.9 Cummins in my defender. Go with the last 3.2 if you’re not to worried about fuel consumption. [emoji106] put a pic up when you decide.

How far have you got with the cummins project? I currently have a cummins sitting infront of my 90 i even found a 1.003 transfer box on ebay the other day just waiting on a input gear now

 

[Deutzdx3]

Are you creating a build thread and pics for this project. Would be interesting

May as well. Still collecting parts, as soon as I have them I’ll take some images as it goes.

 

[Deutzdx3]

How far have you got with the cummins project? I currently have a cummins sitting infront of my 90 i even found a 1.003 transfer box on ebay the other day just waiting on a input gear now

Collecting parts. Need 1:003 gears for the transfer case. Plate to marry it to the zf. And other bits n bobs. Exhaust tube but unsure what’s required. Using it as now until other truck is back on the road after chassis repair.

 

[Karliboy]

How far have you got with the cummins project? I currently have a cummins sitting infront of my 90 i even found a 1.003 transfer box on ebay the other day just waiting on a input gear now

Pics off this would be good too if you can

 

[PSQ]

What to do ? The deal on a 3.2 looks ok, especially with NFU discount, or wait for the 2 litre, which will probably be a bit more money but at least the current model.

Prices have been released. From a previous thread...

“Good news and bad news:

Good - Ford is bringing the 213ps Raptor with 10 speed auto and electronic variable suspension with 6 settings and 'Race Mode' to the UK!

Bad - Recommended retail price for the Raptor: £39,895 plus VAT (£10,150 more than the new shape LTD), and ***it doesn't qualify for a VAT reclaim***, presumably it can't carry a tonne in the rear tub

The 'muggle' models below presumably qualify for a VAT reclaim as commercial vehicles:
XL is available with 2.0D 130ps or 170ps, prices start at £25,914 OTR ('Recommended retail' inc VAT, road tax)
XLT 2.0 170ps, starts at £28,794 OTR
Limited 2.0, 170 or 213ps, 213 10sp auto OTR at £36,594
Wildtrack 2.0 213ps *or 3.2* 200ps, 2.0 with 6 speed manual or 10 speed auto, 3.2 w/ 6 speed auto or 6 speed manual; 2.0 213ps 10 speed auto £38,334 OTR.
Raptor 2.0 213ps, 10 speed auto only, £48,774 OTR , ***no VAT reclaim*** “.

 

[Roger Perry]

You will like the 10 speed auto its very smooth.

 

[How much]

Prices have been released. From a previous thread...

“Good news and bad news:

Good - Ford is bringing the 213ps Raptor with 10 speed auto and electronic variable suspension with 6 settings and 'Race Mode' to the UK!

Bad - Recommended retail price for the Raptor: £39,895 plus VAT (£10,150 more than the new shape LTD), and ***it doesn't qualify for a VAT reclaim***, presumably it can't carry a tonne in the rear tub

The 'muggle' models below presumably qualify for a VAT reclaim as commercial vehicles:
XL is available with 2.0D 130ps or 170ps, prices start at £25,914 OTR ('Recommended retail' inc VAT, road tax)
XLT 2.0 170ps, starts at £28,794 OTR
Limited 2.0, 170 or 213ps, 213 10sp auto OTR at £36,594
Wildtrack 2.0 213ps *or 3.2* 200ps, 2.0 with 6 speed manual or 10 speed auto, 3.2 w/ 6 speed auto or 6 speed manual; 2.0 213ps 10 speed auto £38,334 OTR.
Raptor 2.0 213ps, 10 speed auto only, £48,774 OTR , ***no VAT reclaim*** “.

If its not VAT qualifying would it be classed a commercial vehicle or would it attract VED as a high value high carbon Emitting passenger vehicle ?

there is I think a potentially a very big surcharge on the new vehicle reg and subsequent early years VED if its not commercial vehicle ???

 

[ColinV6]

A 48k non commercial pick up with only 210hp?! Good luck Ford, good luck!


I could buy a 3 year old X5M for that with 575hp and a V8, for the same road tax, and ALOT more toys and comfort, not to mention rediculous speed, also obviously not vat qualifying but a lot nicer as a car.

They missed a huge trick not making this VAT qualifying.

 

[Beowulf]

They missed a huge trick not making this VAT qualifying.

Have they really though?

The market for people who want a Ford Ranger Raptor edition, who will be buying it through a business and therefore looking to claim back the VAT is probably so miniscule as to not even be on the radar of the Ford UK commercial team. Those customers will keep buying the lower-specced versions, just as they have been for years. Wildtrack etc. Or more likely they will buy an Amarok or the Merc equivalent.

The Raptor strikes me as being a showcase model, the sort of thing that will never sell in huge numbers, and most likely to lifestyle buyers who want the closest thing they can get to an F150 in RHD. A bit like those people who bought a full overland-spec Defender to tootle round Hammersmith or the Isle of Dogs (I was one of them).

 

[ColinV6]

Have they really though?

The market for people who want a Ford Ranger Raptor edition, who will be buying it through a business and therefore looking to claim back the VAT is probably so miniscule as to not even be on the radar of the Ford UK commercial team. Those customers will keep buying the lower-specced versions, just as they have been for years. Wildtrack etc. Or more likely they will buy an Amarok or the Merc equivalent.

The Raptor strikes me as being a showcase model, the sort of thing that will never sell in huge numbers, and most likely to lifestyle buyers who want the closest thing they can get to an F150 in RHD. A bit like those people who bought a full overland-spec Defender to tootle round Hammersmith or the Isle of Dogs (I was one of them).

But that’s what I mean, it would appeal more to this catagory surely with 300-350hp?!

A wheezy 210 while certainly nippy isn’t going to rock your world in a vehicle like this.

 

[deleted user 837354]

48,000 for a pickup?

Makes a new Disco 5 look cheap...

Get the Hilux and have it professionally remapped.... Job done. Still be more reliable than anything else mentioned on this thread. Find a friendly Toyota dealer.

 

[Drillman]

But that’s what I mean, it would appeal more to this catagory surely with 300-350hp?!

A wheezy 210 while certainly nippy isn’t going to rock your world in a vehicle like this.

2.0 litre 4 cyl motor is very uninspiring as well!