Gates, security and travellers

Highashgrange

Member
Arable Farmer
Looking for some ideas please people. My father in law has lots of industrial units in his yard down a long drive of 1000 metres. The site gets multiple deliveries 5 days a week. He’s also concerned about the increasing number of issues locally to him where by travellers are turning up on mass into yards and setting up camp. They seem to demand £5,000 to leave because they know it costs £6,000 to remove them via legal channels.

How can he be secure from the travellers whilst not impeding deliveries and then loosing tenants?

The police have told him if any entrance is open then ‘you’ve welcomed the travellers into the site’.

If he runs electric 1000m and puts in coded gates then the likes of DHL, Hermes etc won’t deliver because the drivers won’t ring for access.

If the gates open automatically then ‘you’ve welcomed them in’.

Obviously a man sat in a gate house would work as you have a visual on each vehicle but that’s another salary to cover and would need to shifts as the sites open 6am to 10pm.

Give me some idea please
 
Pikeys best left alone in that situation.

They used to set up over from the unit an old boss rented. He'd be there giving it big man and driving up down past them on his digger. Council / Landlord would turn up and he'd be there waving his arms round strutting about.

Next Morning they'd be gone aswell as Diesel from his 8 wagons.
 

Skimmer

Member
Location
North Notts
We have electric gates work on keypad during day only by phone at night, delivery drivers usually phone they are use to it most know the code after a while. best 6k spent, makes pikeys less likely to enter even if open. post/refuse/ea are log in for phone use, there really is no downside.
 

stewart

Member
Horticulture
Location
Bay of Plenty NZ
Several years ago in our local village the traveler community started to set up camp on an empty industrial site that was in the process of having a building erected, builder started to put a bund around the site, chief pikey told the guy on the excavator that he was too late as they were already on the site. “Yes mate you are and you’re not getting off it once this bund is finished” was the reply, it then became a race to get off the site.
 
Know of 3 incidents locally over the last couple of years where they've actually stolen the electric security gates. (Heavy duty ones) At one they turned up at 9pm on a Saturday night with high viz jackets on, lorry with hiab / beacons going and stole the gates. All on cctv, camera looking at gateway.
All 3 have been next to busy A roads!!
I agree they are a good solution but nothing prevents them getting what, or where they want to.
 

Bongodog

Member
If he runs electric 1000m and puts in coded gates then the likes of DHL, Hermes etc won’t deliver because the drivers won’t ring for access.
|There's a local on farm industrial estate with a coded gate, when i'm working nearby you see all sorts of parcel vans etc pulling up and gaining access. They get far worse treatment at the big warehouses so a 30 second delay for a gate to open won't worry them
 

Goweresque

Member
Location
North Wilts
|There's a local on farm industrial estate with a coded gate, when i'm working nearby you see all sorts of parcel vans etc pulling up and gaining access. They get far worse treatment at the big warehouses so a 30 second delay for a gate to open won't worry them
Isn't there a problem with gates with codes, namely that if the codes are handed out to all and sundry (such as delivery drivers) then the chances of the code falling into the wrong hands goes up significantly?

And also if you have a code entry gate unauthorised access can happen without your knowledge, because there's no 'breaking' to the entering, so someone can be in and out without leaving any sign they've been in. Even if you have CCTV covering it that only tells you whats happened afterwards, not stops it happening in the first place.
 
Setup a parcel or delivery drop of point so deliveries can be made outside the secure perimeter.

Use banks or barriers around the rest of the area. Fences alone are not enough. You've got to make it too much bother to try entering the place.

That'd be a problem with the remedial drivers for the Elcheapos couriers that come here even as much as I try and avoid them.
 

Bongodog

Member
Isn't there a problem with gates with codes, namely that if the codes are handed out to all and sundry (such as delivery drivers) then the chances of the code falling into the wrong hands goes up significantly?

And also if you have a code entry gate unauthorised access can happen without your knowledge, because there's no 'breaking' to the entering, so someone can be in and out without leaving any sign they've been in. Even if you have CCTV covering it that only tells you whats happened afterwards, not stops it happening in the first place.
Think it has both a keypad for the occupiers and a buzzer system for delivery drivers to contact the people they are delivering to.
 

B R C

Member
Arable Farmer
I wouldn’t say I have an industrial yard but but have a few tenents and lots of couriers coming and going. Electric gate is open 8-5, shut at other times including all weekends. That would be a start. Would they really set up camp down a 1000m private drive?
 

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
Looking for some ideas please people. My father in law has lots of industrial units in his yard down a long drive of 1000 metres. The site gets multiple deliveries 5 days a week. He’s also concerned about the increasing number of issues locally to him where by travellers are turning up on mass into yards and setting up camp. They seem to demand £5,000 to leave because they know it costs £6,000 to remove them via legal channels.

How can he be secure from the travellers whilst not impeding deliveries and then loosing tenants?

The police have told him if any entrance is open then ‘you’ve welcomed the travellers into the site’.

If he runs electric 1000m and puts in coded gates then the likes of DHL, Hermes etc won’t deliver because the drivers won’t ring for access.

If the gates open automatically then ‘you’ve welcomed them in’.

Obviously a man sat in a gate house would work as you have a visual on each vehicle but that’s another salary to cover and would need to shifts as the sites open 6am to 10pm.

Give me some idea please
How many units?
CCTV and 24/7 security guard on a gate and a fully fenced perimeter divide the cost by the number of units and charge them for it.
Tenants should pay more for a secure site.
 

Angus

Member
Location
Devon
I thought I heard the home secretary had or was going to make it a criminal offence for travellers to set up camp on private or council owned land? I think it was said, that two caravans or more parked up would be in contravention of the act. It cannot come into force soon enough.
 

unlacedgecko

Member
Livestock Farmer
Looking for some ideas please people. My father in law has lots of industrial units in his yard down a long drive of 1000 metres. The site gets multiple deliveries 5 days a week. He’s also concerned about the increasing number of issues locally to him where by travellers are turning up on mass into yards and setting up camp. They seem to demand £5,000 to leave because they know it costs £6,000 to remove them via legal channels.

How can he be secure from the travellers whilst not impeding deliveries and then loosing tenants?

The police have told him if any entrance is open then ‘you’ve welcomed the travellers into the site’.

If he runs electric 1000m and puts in coded gates then the likes of DHL, Hermes etc won’t deliver because the drivers won’t ring for access.

If the gates open automatically then ‘you’ve welcomed them in’.

Obviously a man sat in a gate house would work as you have a visual on each vehicle but that’s another salary to cover and would need to shifts as the sites open 6am to 10pm.

Give me some idea please

you’ve welcomed them in?! What the actual f**k? I wonder if the police would apply the same logic to a band of gypsies setting up camp on the chief constable’s garden?
 

robs1

Member
you’ve welcomed them in?! What the actual f**k? I wonder if the police would apply the same logic to a band of gypsies setting up camp on the chief constable’s garden?
They just look for an excuse not to get involved playing the pikies at their own game and blocking them in until they pay is the easiest way
 

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