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Pilatus

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cotswolds
The coyotes around me seem quite blessed. Especially when they get chicken or goose dinners.

But yes, there’s lots around.
When we lived at Bonanza for two years our neighbours warned us that groups of Coyotes, had been known to play with small pet dogs and gradually lure them away from the yard and then kill them, whether was any truth in that I don't know. Suffice to say I used to dislike the evil creatures.
 

Blaithin

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Alberta
When we lived at Bonanza for two years our neighbours warned us that groups of Coyotes, had been known to play with small pet dogs and gradually lure them away from the yard and then kill them, whether was any truth in that I don't know. Suffice to say I used to dislike the evil creatures.
Yes, they’ll bait out dogs. Doesn’t have to be small ones. It’s why LGDs work better in pairs.

When I only had one dog he would be fighting one coyote and others would come up behind him. He was smart enough not to go far out of the yard though.

But they’ll also distract dogs. One coyote will lure the dog out while another sneaks around behind into the yard to grab whatever they’re after. These are reasons why LGDs work better in pairs.

I wouldn’t call coyotes evil though. Just because they’re smart enough to make us work to protect our small stock doesn’t make them evil. If they were dumb animals they wouldn’t be as successful as they are. Rarely do you find dumb predators, they wouldn’t live long.
 

cows sh#t me to tears

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Livestock Farmer
Yeah. There not that smart :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
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That's all folks ! Meep meep :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 

Pilatus

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Location
cotswolds
Yes, they’ll bait out dogs. Doesn’t have to be small ones. It’s why LGDs work better in pairs.

When I only had one dog he would be fighting one coyote and others would come up behind him. He was smart enough not to go far out of the yard though.

But they’ll also distract dogs. One coyote will lure the dog out while another sneaks around behind into the yard to grab whatever they’re after. These are reasons why LGDs work better in pairs.

I wouldn’t call coyotes evil though. Just because they’re smart enough to make us work to protect our small stock doesn’t make them evil. If they were dumb animals they wouldn’t be as successful as they are. Rarely do you find dumb predators, they wouldn’t live long.
I will say they are Smart but Evil.;)
 

Ukjay

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Wales!
I will say they are Smart but Evil.;)

I would say they are intelligent personally and not evil. Nature has given them the brainpower to for the most part, outsmart other animals for survival.
Just because Humans think they have a right to kill anything and everything that it considers, does not mean these animals are evil.
Humans are by far, the most Evil things on this planet imho.. and generally only care for the now.
 

Pilatus

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cotswolds
I would say they are intelligent personally and not evil. Nature has given them the brainpower to for the most part, outsmart other animals for survival.
Just because Humans think they have a right to kill anything and everything that it considers, does not mean these animals are evil.
Humans are by far, the most Evil things on this planet imho.. and generally only care for the now.
I will go along with what you say, but when I see a smart/cunning Fox killing our chickens I am not prepared to just stand their watching the fox kill my chickens, thinking "thats a smart fox you just carry on!!!!!"
 

Ukjay

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Wales!
I will go along with what you say, but when I see a smart/cunning Fox killing our chickens I am not prepared to just stand their watching the fox kill my chickens, thinking "thats a smart fox you just carry on!!!!!"

I only referred to the intelligence of the animal in question, as there are other contributory factors involved in how the animals react imho.

The havoc something can cause in your scenario above is at the end of the day caused by us, the humans in the first place - as we have couped up all these tasty little snacks into a realativey small area, and when it gets into said enclosure, sends the animal into a frenzy, possibly linked to the ongoing commotion and noise.

Strangely, not every fox kills everything - so there must be something that triggers this response imho, which could potentially be linked to an attempt to stem the noise the birds are creating for it's self preservation, who knows, but it is something that does raise more questions.
 

Blaithin

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Alberta
The worst predator I’ve dealt with is an owl.

They’re ridiculously smart and a giant pain in the ass. Probably because they live so damn long.

But like many of my predator issues I can trace them to a certain time of year. Hawks predate my chickens when they have chicks in the nest. Coyotes when their pups are older and the crop is high enough to sneak up to the yard. Owls, when the snow is too deep in the winter to easily find their normal prey.

It’s not their fault I have tasty, easy to catch food in my yard. Really, it’s a wonder they don’t eat more! :LOL:
 

CornishTone

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Cornwall
I only referred to the intelligence of the animal in question, as there are other contributory factors involved in how the animals react imho.

The havoc something can cause in your scenario above is at the end of the day caused by us, the humans in the first place - as we have couped up all these tasty little snacks into a realativey small area, and when it gets into said enclosure, sends the animal into a frenzy, possibly linked to the ongoing commotion and noise.

Strangely, not every fox kills everything - so there must be something that triggers this response imho, which could potentially be linked to an attempt to stem the noise the birds are creating for it's self preservation, who knows, but it is something that does raise more questions.

Foxes are largely opportunistic hunters. If they find a large number of prey in one place they’ll kill as many as they can and then return later to remove the carcasses and cache them.

When this happens in a domestic, livestock setting, the kill is usually discovered before the fox returns for the rest, so our human brain interprets the scene as “Foxes kill for fun as they haven’t even eaten them! They’re evil!” Of course they’re not, they’re just doing what they’ve evolved to do and we get in the way.

Intelligent and ruthless! Everything you need to be to survive in the wild. Can’t blame them!
 

Ukjay

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Location
Wales!
Foxes are largely opportunistic hunters. If they find a large number of prey in one place they’ll kill as many as they can and then return later to remove the carcasses and cache them.

When this happens in a domestic, livestock setting, the kill is usually discovered before the fox returns for the rest, so our human brain interprets the scene as “Foxes kill for fun as they haven’t even eaten them! They’re evil!” Of course they’re not, they’re just doing what they’ve evolved to do and we get in the way.

Intelligent and ruthless! Everything you need to be to survive in the wild. Can’t blame them!

Exactly - hence why I admire them, not simply wish to destroy them because I can.
Additionally - humans get pee'd when out witted by them..
 

Blaithin

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Alberta
Twenty years ago today a tornado hit Pine Lake which is about 20 minutes north, north east of me. In recent years they've really started pushing hard on cell phone warnings since people in camp grounds aren't generally around other methods of alarms but they're very vulnerable to such storms.

A memorable one was a warning for the Ponoka Stampede a couple of years ago, on the Canada Day long weekend. With so many people outside at a rodeo, it was almost 100% reliant on them getting the information on their phones.

 

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