Getting a ag tie lifted

[Landrover]

Cut a long story short, to get planning for my house it had to be a agricultural workers dwelling, since then there has been 2 properties built in the village without that and planning in for a third, anyone got any good advice for getting it lifted or can recommend someone thanks in advance

 

[serf]

Are you not in ag then or previously in ag ?

 

[Landrover]

Are you not in ag then or previously in ag ?

Yep still a farmer, just when I applied for planning to build a house in the village the only way of getting it was as a ag workers dwelling since then there has been 2 other properties built by incomers and one more in for planning permission which haven't needed that particular stipulation, it would turn my house from something only worth something with the rest of the farm to a property worth quite a bit of money which one day I would consider selling

 

[serf]

If your not selling soon and you don't need the house for leverage your best keeping its value low , rates ect, it would be safe bet for IHT too as the rules stand at min , but obviously if your selling you would want best price .
Not that I'm a fan of lifting ties because it sets bad precidents for people in future who want a house for ag use with no intention of selling it , and they have trouble getting planning because council are suspicious of tie being lifted in future . But that's just me!

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Sounds like you may have some justification to get it lifted. Please feel free to drop us an email [email protected]. This is more in my bosses expertise than mine.

 

[Landrover]

I have no plans of selling it anytime soon, but would like to have the option ! My sole reason for doing it is because of other properties have been built in the same village since I built mine without an ag tie and the only way I got permission was to build with a tie on it so would like it lifted, why should I have a house that is only worth 30%ish of the market value when my neighbor 200yrds away is worth full price !

 

[steveR]

Cut a long story short, to get planning for my house it had to be a agricultural workers dwelling, since then there has been 2 properties built in the village without that and planning in for a third, anyone got any good advice for getting it lifted or can recommend someone thanks in advance

Where are you based?

Got one lifted a couple of years ago.

 

[mo!]

PM'd

 

[Hfd Cattle]

Just be careful .if you get a tie lifted then try for planning somewhere else on the farm for a dwelling it will go against you.
Is it a tie or a restriction ?

 

[betweenthelines]

What's the issue here? Farmer has built a home on his farm, job done. Unless the plan was always to sell it on and OP has been devious in his Planning Application?

Personally, I prefer my grapes slightly sweet, not sour.

The new builds in the village could well be infill or conversion of existing buildings e.g. garage.

 

[GmB]

I have no plans of selling it anytime soon, but would like to have the option ! My sole reason for doing it is because of other properties have been built in the same village since I built mine without an ag tie and the only way I got permission was to build with a tie on it so would like it lifted, why should I have a house that is only worth 30%ish of the market value when my neighbor 200yrds away is worth full price !

Wealth tax possible in the near future?

 

[bobk]

What's the issue here? Farmer has built a home on his farm, job done. Unless the plan was always to sell it on and OP has been devious in his Planning Application?

Personally, I prefer my grapes slightly sweet, not sour.

The new builds in the village could well be infill or conversion of existing buildings e.g. garage.

I agree , ag tie is better than a caravan

 

[Landrover]

What's the issue here? Farmer has built a home on his farm, job done. Unless the plan was always to sell it on and OP has been devious in his Planning Application?

Personally, I prefer my grapes slightly sweet, not sour.

The new builds in the village could well be infill or conversion of existing buildings e.g. garage.

When I originally applied for planning it was for a house on my own land, in the small village I have lived all my life and my family has farmed in for 100yrs+, I did not want a ag tied property but the only way I was going to get planning after numerous appeals and finally going the the county planning committee was with an ag tie, then shortly after there was a relaxation of the planning rules and other people have built houses in the village that were on "Greenfield" sites which even with numerous objections were passed by the planning officers, all I want Is a levelling of the playing field so to speak !

 

[betweenthelines]

Why did you not want a tie on it?

 

[B R C]

If you get the tie lifted it will cost you dearly in extra council tax.
if you think you may want to sell it can’t be that close to the rest of the farm buildings? Why would you want to sell having got a house on your own land, where you have lived all your life and your family has farmed there for over 100yrs?

 

[Bongodog]

When I originally applied for planning it was for a house on my own land, in the small village I have lived all my life and my family has farmed in for 100yrs+, I did not want a ag tied property but the only way I was going to get planning after numerous appeals and finally going the the county planning committee was with an ag tie, then shortly after there was a relaxation of the planning rules and other people have built houses in the village that were on "Greenfield" sites which even with numerous objections were passed by the planning officers, all I want Is a levelling of the playing field so to speak !

Are the circumstances the same ? if they are, you would likely have got planning permission free of tie. Firstly is your house withing the village development envelope, if it is you should have got permission without the ag tie. Are the others you mention within the development envelope ? Another possibility is that the others gained permission when your local planning authority did not have sufficient land allocated for housing. Locally we have had this anomaly recently, quite a few people got permission on sites where development had not been possible since 1948, and now isn't possible again. Generally the only way of getting a tie lifted is to prove that the property is no longer required for an agricultural worker

 

[Northdowns Martin]

I’m getting the impression Landrover isn’t upset about his own position, but more an annoyance that the local planners have allowed others to build unconditionally within the village.
Didn’t the locals put up objections?? Although I hear of places where locals don’t object in case they want to make alterations to their properties in the future.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

I’m getting the impression Landrover isn’t upset about his own position, but more an annoyance that the local planners have allowed others to build unconditionally within the village.
Didn’t the locals put up objections?? Although I hear of places where locals don’t object in case they want to make alterations to their properties in the future.

That was how I saw @Landrover's OP

 

[kiwi pom]

When I originally applied for planning it was for a house on my own land, in the small village I have lived all my life and my family has farmed in for 100yrs+, I did not want a ag tied property but the only way I was going to get planning after numerous appeals and finally going the the county planning committee was with an ag tie, then shortly after there was a relaxation of the planning rules and other people have built houses in the village that were on "Greenfield" sites which even with numerous objections were passed by the planning officers, all I want Is a levelling of the playing field so to speak !

I've a mate in England who recently had one lifted, he said it wasn't that hard, it just took a while.

The other way of looking at the situation is that you managed to get round planning permission with an Ag tie, where others were simply refused, so you won there but now the rules have changed and its backfired a bit. Those that waited had a change in their favour and are taking advantage of it.

I would love to have built a house on some land that had been in our family for years in Cheshire but couldn't even get an Ag tie. At the same time farmers in the area were getting permission for barn conversions on any old abandoned shed and cashing in.

The whole planning things a pain but over all I'd say you've had a win.

 

[stewart]

When I originally applied for planning it was for a house on my own land, in the small village I have lived all my life and my family has farmed in for 100yrs+, I did not want a ag tied property but the only way I was going to get planning after numerous appeals and finally going the the county planning committee was with an ag tie, then shortly after there was a relaxation of the planning rules and other people have built houses in the village that were on "Greenfield" sites which even with numerous objections were passed by the planning officers, all I want Is a levelling of the playing field so to speak !

If the rules have been relaxed why not just apply for another house?