And just to point out 90% of the land we farm is owned by other people so I could very easily find myself in a similar situation. Part of my job is to fulfill land owners ambitions which is increasingly a blend of farming and environment. Thankfully with the way we have been farming we are ahead of the game and ticking all the boxes.@ajd132 ^^^this is why your idea of joint venture plans with large arable farms will be treated with contempt by most. Without security of tenure, the livestock farmer is completely at the whim of others.