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- Thread starter BrianV
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First two reasons are enough. Bigger and higher capacity factor.
wow. Didn't know that.
what a fudging pathetic example of dis-jointed thinking.
I'm right with @DaveGrohl with the 'raising huge mass for subsequent release' theory.
Clunky basic engineering.
It's exactly what I'd been thinking about for my own needs on 2 different sites
Exfarmer
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- Bury St Edmunds
to have any real impact stored energy systems such a as Dinorwig are there only real storage systems which is both safe and effective.
However Dinorwig holds approximately 9.1 GWh , which his sufficient to supply the UK for. under 20 minutes in gross terms . Of course it can only be released at approximately 1.8GWH which is about 5% of average consumption. However this is very important in peak times or in emergency if a major power station fails and the grid voltage falls as it can be turned on so quickly.
However the amount of storage required to run the country for any length of time in reality would mean every Dale and valley across the UK would need utilising to have any real capacity
The other proposals which I have seen such as trains going up mountains etc would be just a small drop in the ocean realising a few hundred for thousand kilowatts.
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Showing my own ignorance, am I correct in thinking that if I had a business say a steel factory using masses of energy which is helping to create global warming BUT the steel factory buys a few thousand acres of farmland which I just leave for nature to take over, that I can turn round and say my business is carbon neutral .Perhaps a gross over simplification but is what I say partly correct, if it is, a completely bonkers situation.
Exfarmer
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- Bury St Edmunds
what is your point? turbines can be built at sea with no subsidy and produce electricity at sensible prices
They sell freely into the electricity market previously at around 5p per unit the same as I do and the gas turbines etc.
At present the market is on a high and prices have been up to 25p but have now settled back to around the 10p I think ( not looked for a few days as all mine are on long contracts.
Many of the gas generators receive a payment to turn off when the wind is blowing as do some of the Northern turbines. This though is often about imbalances in the National Grid which has insufficient capacity to handle it all
my point is the extra expense in siting them offshore is a wholly pointless waste of resource...unless it's shown that the extra power from better windspeed offsets this.
On this specific point @Exfarmer , I'm out.
I don't have the figures, and suspect very very other few people would either.
(there is a whole lot of misdirection about these things, hard for mortals to unravel. I personally know a bright young man whose job is to scientifically prove the number of birds turbines chop up is below a satisfactory sacrificial level.)
ollie989898
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Egbert, what do you mean by a waste of a resource? The trouble with wind turbines is that no one wants to see them so putting them on land is an uphill battle.
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From the British Hydropower Alliance website (with my emphasis for clarity):
The chief executive of the British Hydropower Association has warned the business rates system in England and Wales is “fundamentally flawed” and “urgently needs attention”.
Simon Hamlyn, said many hydro schemes are facing increases of several hundred per cent because of business rate evaluations in England and Wales, and called on the British Treasury to give members “some breathing space” by introducing a cap, similar to the one in place for smaller schemes in Scotland.
Hamlyn said one hydro scheme in England will see their business rates rise from £3,000 to £16,000 in April, while another in Wales is facing an increase from £400 to £3,5000.
“We are asking for a complete overhaul of the system, to make it more fair to the hydro industry, because the whole system is wrong,” he said.
He added hydro operators cannot increase the amount of money they make from their plants, because the Government has frozen electricity prices through the Feed in Tariff.
Hamlyn was speaking after his organisation appealed to the Scottish Government to rethink its temporary business rate review, which he said would hit schemes between 1 and 5 MW the hardest.
Last month, Holyrood announced a 12.5 per cent limit on business rates increases for schemes up to 1MW until the end of March, 2018. But the association chief executive said, so far, the Scottish Government is not looking to cap increases for small scale hydro schemes between 1 and 5 MW.
“A number of these schemes will see rates rises of more than 400 per cent – with, for one example, one operator seeing their rates bill soar from £49,000 to £200,000 per year, a leap of over £150,000,” said Hamlyn.
“We could see the scenario where some schemes will be operating solely to pay the rates bill, whilst other nearby schemes will be getting rates relief,” he added. “It does not make sense.”
Last month, Scottish Renewables claimed smaller hydro, solar and wind schemes faced business rates increases of up to 650 per cent as part of a wider revaluation of the property tax launched by the Holyrood government in December.
“We have concerns over the cap to relief for hydro projects at 1MW, given data from our members shows that some schemes slightly larger than this threshold could still be subject to unrealistic hikes in rates bills,” said the association’s policy manager, Hannah Smith.
“We have been discussing the issue with Scottish Government officials and will continue to work to ensure rates bills for the renewables industry and fair and proportionate.”
The chief executive of the British Hydropower Association has warned the business rates system in England and Wales is “fundamentally flawed” and “urgently needs attention”.
Simon Hamlyn, said many hydro schemes are facing increases of several hundred per cent because of business rate evaluations in England and Wales, and called on the British Treasury to give members “some breathing space” by introducing a cap, similar to the one in place for smaller schemes in Scotland.
Hamlyn said one hydro scheme in England will see their business rates rise from £3,000 to £16,000 in April, while another in Wales is facing an increase from £400 to £3,5000.
“We are asking for a complete overhaul of the system, to make it more fair to the hydro industry, because the whole system is wrong,” he said.
He added hydro operators cannot increase the amount of money they make from their plants, because the Government has frozen electricity prices through the Feed in Tariff.
Hamlyn was speaking after his organisation appealed to the Scottish Government to rethink its temporary business rate review, which he said would hit schemes between 1 and 5 MW the hardest.
Last month, Holyrood announced a 12.5 per cent limit on business rates increases for schemes up to 1MW until the end of March, 2018. But the association chief executive said, so far, the Scottish Government is not looking to cap increases for small scale hydro schemes between 1 and 5 MW.
“A number of these schemes will see rates rises of more than 400 per cent – with, for one example, one operator seeing their rates bill soar from £49,000 to £200,000 per year, a leap of over £150,000,” said Hamlyn.
“We could see the scenario where some schemes will be operating solely to pay the rates bill, whilst other nearby schemes will be getting rates relief,” he added. “It does not make sense.”
Last month, Scottish Renewables claimed smaller hydro, solar and wind schemes faced business rates increases of up to 650 per cent as part of a wider revaluation of the property tax launched by the Holyrood government in December.
“We have concerns over the cap to relief for hydro projects at 1MW, given data from our members shows that some schemes slightly larger than this threshold could still be subject to unrealistic hikes in rates bills,” said the association’s policy manager, Hannah Smith.
“We have been discussing the issue with Scottish Government officials and will continue to work to ensure rates bills for the renewables industry and fair and proportionate.”
ollie989898
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Can you explain the logic behind hiking their business rates? It makes no sense.
2wheels
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- aberdeenshire
do you have an interest in providing heat pumps?
Nope. Just really pleased with mine.
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- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
No. Sorry.
It makes as much sense from a government that has legislated to set climate change targets into law as their policy of continued road building or airport expansion.
I'm trying to leave the subject @ollie989898 , but.....
I mean a waste compared to putting them on dryland.
Objectors? feck em. I object to a whole lot of things, but my voice is lost!
I sooner see 20 huge turbines outside my front window than know (an out of sight Hinkley) has built a quay just to bring in the millions of tonnes of material for the concrete
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- Lincolnshire
The fact that drax can get away with what they're doing as "green" is disgusting. It's morally bankrupt.
grainboy
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- Bedfordshire
what about the Electric it consumes, ?
for when I considered air source, my heating engineer advised too expensive on the electric it used,
Exfarmer
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- Bury St Edmunds
Not as simple as that, and i think you underestimatethe size of the modern turbines. They are approaching 700 feet. They also generate a lot of noise
Doing it for the kids
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Wood is a crop, like straw. Yes it takes longer to grow but it’s part of the carbon cycle. Surely even with your mindset you can see that
I think rates can be set by local government now So for them it’s easy money.
now that we have to be carbon neutral but 2035 instead of 2050, the government needs to say yes to any renewable project possible if they are to have a vague hope of getting threre!