Guy Smith's response to FW article on AIC rules.

[bobk]

All my pigeon shooters use steel shot , is that ok ?

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

If Red Tractor was worth a toot, wouldn’t it be able to identify the offending load of wheat with the lead shot in?

Yes it's all traceable back to the farm

 

[Grass And Grain]

If Red Tractor was worth a toot, wouldn’t it be able to identify the offending load of wheat with the lead shot in?

RT "Have you done anything you shouldn't have done when producing your grain?"

Farmer "No, I've done everything correctly".

= RT audit is only as good as what the farmer self-declared at the audit.

 

[Drillman]

RT "Have you done anything you shouldn't have done when producing your grain?"

Farmer "No, I've done everything correctly".

= RT audit is only as good as what the farmer self-declared at the audit.

Like I said to the last inspector who was here. When I’m blathered up having washed the grain trailer. Loader or whatever the last thing I’m thinking is I must rush off into the house to write down the date I’ve washed it.

And as I also pointed out she walked past the loader and trailer and could see they were clean.

And as for a date wen the combine was serviced, I told them not to be so stupid as we cannot properly go through a 20 year old combine in a day, especially wen it was new to us. I ended up telling her we started the tinkering process 6 months before harvest and only finished the day it was put to work, ended up saying if you wasn’t a date write them all down between feb and end of July. Or pick one her call Cos I can’t give a single date

 

[DRC]

Like I said to the last inspector who was here. When I’m blathered up having washed the grain trailer. Loader or whatever the last thing I’m thinking is I must rush off into the house to write down the date I’ve washed it.

And as I also pointed out she walked past the loader and trailer and could see they were clean.

And as for a date wen the combine was serviced, I told them not to be so stupid as we cannot properly go through a 20 year old combine in a day, especially wen it was new to us. I ended up telling her we started the tinkering process 6 months before harvest and only finished the day it was put to work, ended up saying if you wasn’t a date write them all down between feb and end of July. Or pick one her call Cos I can’t give a single date

And what actual difference to the wheat that ends up in a mill, does the day you serviced a combine make.
non what so ever !

 

[Tarw Coch]

And what actual difference to the wheat that ends up in a mill, does the day you serviced a combine make.
non what so ever !

What I’d you use a contractor? Do you have to ask him when his combine was serviced or does it no longer matter

 

[Drillman]

What I’d you use a contractor? Do you have to ask him when his combine was serviced or does it no longer matter

It don’t matter or it didn’t wen a contractor did ours

 

[Grass And Grain]

Like I said to the last inspector who was here. When I’m blathered up having washed the grain trailer. Loader or whatever the last thing I’m thinking is I must rush off into the house to write down the date I’ve washed it.

And as I also pointed out she walked past the loader and trailer and could see they were clean.

And as for a date wen the combine was serviced, I told them not to be so stupid as we cannot properly go through a 20 year old combine in a day, especially wen it was new to us. I ended up telling her we started the tinkering process 6 months before harvest and only finished the day it was put to work, ended up saying if you wasn’t a date write them all down between feb and end of July. Or pick one her call Cos I can’t give a single date

It's bunkum isn't it. Writing stuff down, just so they can tick their audit box that there's a written record. As you say, the clean grain bucket speaks for itself.

The merchant is welcome to sample my store any time and look over our farm, crops, machinery, store etc. Chem store, fert store, etc as well if they want.

The clean grain bucket is what assures the grain bucket is clean, not the written record.

I'll self-declare my grain, with merchants welcome to visit and look at anything they want, 365 days a year.

That's much better than the 2.5 hr RT audit, done on ONE day out of 365.

 

[Drillman]

And what actual difference to the wheat that ends up in a mill, does the day you serviced a combine make.
non what so ever !

Next time I mite tell them I didn’t bother, Just found it in the field I left it in wen we finished the year before put the jump leads on and away we go

 

[Drillman]

It's bunkum isn't it. Writing stuff down, just so they can tick their audit box that there's a written record. As you say, the clean grain bucket speaks for itself.

The merchant is welcome to sample my store any time and look over our farm, crops, machinery, store etc. Chem store, fert store, etc as well if they want.

The clean grain bucket is what assures the grain bucket is clean, not the written record.

I'll self-declare my grain, with merchants welcome to visit and look at anything they want, 365 days a year.

That's much better than the 2.5 hr RT audit, done on ONE day out of 365.

Ooh but what if you get an unannounced inspection?

which actually translates to an inspection at short notice but only if your prepared to let them on the farm

I have had inspectors tell me they can come on and do what they want but checking with higher management at SAI I’m told that’s not the case. For a start they would leave there selves wide open to a HSE investigation for unsafe working practices. And secondly any inspector who tried it on here would leave with my size 11 up there backside and would make damn sure there car had been backed into by the loader as it wasn’t supposed to be there

 

[Tarw Coch]

Next time I mite tell them I didn’t bother, Just found it in the field I left it in wen we finished the year before put the jump leads on and away we go

As the old saying goes, ask a stupid question and you’ll get a stupid answer

 

[Henarar]

What I’d you use a contractor? Do you have to ask him when his combine was serviced or does it no longer matter

what happens if you haven't serviced it ?

 

[Grass And Grain]

Related to the OP. I really think some people forget about the smaller grower.

We don't all have 1,000 acres.

I know people with 30 acres of barley who would like to supply a feed mill. They've either to be RT, or can't supply that mill, but imports can.

That needs to change.

And NFU and AHDB need to completely withdraw any support or association with either RT or AIC until RT/AIC provide equal and fair rules to UK farmers. NFU/AHDB need to work for their farmers, not for a private assurance industry hell bent on cutting off markets for growers who won't pay up. That's what it amounts to.

They've no valid reason to not allow us to use the pesticide declaration method.

Currently, UK farmers are just a cash cow to them. We're fragmented, weak and vulnerable. Or at least, we were.

 

[tullah]

All my pigeon shooters use steel shot , is that ok ?

Had a sick looking badger go through the drum the other day. That tank full had a nose to it.
Is that ok?
I dread to think what has gone through the combine into the imports.

 

[tullah]

As the old saying goes, ask a stupid question and you’ll get a stupid answer

And what beggars belief is that our very Non f.. union man is behind all this racket. In fact he even owns it.
What have we all been doing all these years.

 

[Bongodog]

This was interesting

Lead shot contamination in milling wheat ‘disappointing’ - Farmers Weekly

Flour millers have been left disappointed after finding lead shot contamination in milling wheat in cereal grains at intake. Trade association UK Flour

www.fwi.co.uk

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If people never did anything that is prohibited the police would be redundant. This man is truly an idiot.
As for millers insisting on imported grain to overcome the problem, is this the stuff you can see on youtube stored in huge outdoor piles open to the elements dumped on bare earth with tracked excavators and bobcats driving through it.

 

[spin cycle]

All my pigeon shooters use steel shot , is that ok ?

thinking again i wonder if was stray airgun pellets used to control birds inside stores instead of shotgun pellets picked up by combine

the mills probably have magnets to take out metal.....but lead is a problem cos not magnetic

 

[tullah]

This was interesting

Lead shot contamination in milling wheat ‘disappointing’ - Farmers Weekly

Flour millers have been left disappointed after finding lead shot contamination in milling wheat in cereal grains at intake. Trade association UK Flour

www.fwi.co.uk

View attachment 985279

This was interesting

Lead shot contamination in milling wheat ‘disappointing’ - Farmers Weekly

Flour millers have been left disappointed after finding lead shot contamination in milling wheat in cereal grains at intake. Trade association UK Flour

www.fwi.co.uk

View attachment 985279

Knowing that RT cant defend lies, it wouldn't surprise me if this was just all set up to further their cause.
I dont believe any of it for a moment.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Knowing that RT cant defend lies, it wouldn't surprise me if this was just all set up to further their cause.
I dont believe any of it for a moment.

Its definitely a set up. Its ridiculous. How much flour milled and paid for gets sent to AD?

Mr Brennan said it is good news that the latest version of the Red Tractor standards for combinable crops will prohibit this, insisting “there is no shooting over stored grain”.

FFS if someone wants to do it they will do it regardless of Red Tractor. Any as others have said luckily for Mr Brennan, Red Tractor know exactly the farm where the shot came from and will be despatching a clipboard there shortly....

 

[oil barron]

Its definitely a set up. Its ridiculous. How much flour milled and paid for gets sent to AD?

Mr Brennan said it is good news that the latest version of the Red Tractor standards for combinable crops will prohibit this, insisting “there is no shooting over stored grain”.

FFS if someone wants to do it they will do it regardless of Red Tractor. Any as others have said luckily for Mr Brennan, Red Tractor know exactly the farm where the shot came from and will be despatching a clipboard there shortly....

Ask Philip Case to follow up with Mr Brennan to see which Mill had the problem?