Guy Smith's response to FW article on AIC rules.

[tullah]

Maybe there are certain mills that need boycotting. I notice Brennan doesn't name the mill. A pinch of salt

 

[SilliamWhale]

Ask Philip Case to follow up with Mr Brennan to see which Mill had the problem?

I've tweeted Mr Brennan to see if they managed to trace the farm. I love the way he says :

Last month, a mill customer detected lead in their product and the alloy was confirmed as that found in lead shot.

It prompted the customer to pressure the miller to replace the domestic wheat with imports in that flour blend, to avoid a repeat incident.

Its ironic they had to have some non red tractor imported wheat from an arguably less regulated destination to solve the problem of their shitty Red Tractor wheat allegedly being full of lead shot isn't it? Further proving the uselessness of Red Tractor..

The amount of craven people paid to be coalescing around a deeply flawed and ostensibly deceitful Red Tractor is truly astonishing - what is worse we are paying them to do it!

 

[tullah]

I've tweeted Mr Brennan to see if they managed to trace the farm. I love the way he says :

Last month, a mill customer detected lead in their product and the alloy was confirmed as that found in lead shot.

It prompted the customer to pressure the miller to replace the domestic wheat with imports in that flour blend, to avoid a repeat incident.

Its ironic they had to have some non red tractor imported wheat to solve the problem of their Red Tractor wheat allegedely being full of lead shot isn't it? Further proving the uselessness of Red Tractor..

As silly as a village parish councillor saying somebody has reported a bad smell from Smiths house but they won't name the parishioner because he doesn't exist. Happens all the time

 

[Bury the Trash]

Reminds me of this:

" A consignment of rice bran was contaminated with Lead during its transport from Burma. On its arrival in Belgium the unfit cargo was not destroyed, but sold on and reprocessed into animal feed. The Dutch embassy informed the Ministry's legal department on Wednesday 1 November of a specific consignment thought to be contaminated and delivered to two companies based in Teignmouth and Liverpool. By this time, our own veterinary investigation service had identified from its own investigations a connection between cattle deaths and lead contamination in animal feed."

1989 or there abouts.

 

[Drillman]

I've tweeted Mr Brennan to see if they managed to trace the farm. I love the way he says :

Last month, a mill customer detected lead in their product and the alloy was confirmed as that found in lead shot.

It prompted the customer to pressure the miller to replace the domestic wheat with imports in that flour blend, to avoid a repeat incident.

Its ironic they had to have some non red tractor imported wheat from an arguably less regulated destination to solve the problem of their shitty Red Tractor wheat allegedly being full of lead shot isn't it? Further proving the uselessness of Red Tractor..

The amount of craven people paid to be coalescing around a deeply flawed and ostensibly deceitful Red Tractor is truly astonishing - what is worse we are paying them to do it!

Wasn’t Jim Mosley wittering on the other week about how millers preferred imports to his second rate red tractor stuff?

maybe the extensive lab testing sorts the wheat from the lead shot so to speak!!

 

[Mixedupfarmer]

This was interesting

Lead shot contamination in milling wheat ‘disappointing’ - Farmers Weekly

Flour millers have been left disappointed after finding lead shot contamination in milling wheat in cereal grains at intake. Trade association UK Flour

www.fwi.co.uk

Why would imported grain be any less likely to have lead shot in over UK grain? Would the supplier not identify offending farm, and change to another uk farm supply? It has to be made up.

 

[BredRedHfd]

Had a sick looking badger go through the drum the other day. That tank full had a nose to it.
Is that ok?
I dread to think what has gone through the combine into the imports.

I took a skunk through when I was combining in Canada. That had a 'nose' that lasted days!

 

[Steevo]

Why would imported grain be any less likely to have lead shot in over UK grain? Would the supplier not identify offending farm, and change to another uk farm supply? It has to be made up.

Added to that he article linked to by @Great In Grass alludes that the grain came from the UK. But they haven’t specifically said that. So do we really know (if true) that it did.

And now that RT standards prevents lead shot reaching grain……those standards don’t apply to imported grain which the mills will still happily buy.

Added to that…..surely the mill wasn’t doing its own job properly if it’s own processes didn’t manage to clean out this lead shot. Non-conformance…..like @clive’s rat droppings?!

Do they seriously test every load of flour for lead..?! I doubt it…!

As for the lead shot sinking to the bottom of the lorry….how long a journey is it going on for that to have happened….?! And have they honestly trialled this to find it out or is this more hearsay?!

 

[willy]

Surley if it sinks to the bottum of a lorry, a simple run ovr a fine seive and the lead falls through.

I smell a rat

 

[Grass And Grain]

I thought flour mills had some filtration method that only lets flour through, and not larger particles.

 

[willy]

The whole job is looking very crooked indeed. Lead is used around the world and UK has some of the strictest regs and yet to make the assumption imported is lead free is just lunacy.

I am starting to get very angry at all this anti UK farmer propaganda put out by this clique of RT, miller's AIC and any one else with a vested interest of passing th buck to the farmers.....

 

[Henarar]

The whole job is looking very crooked indeed. Lead is used around the world and UK has some of the strictest regs and yet to make the assumption imported is lead free is just lunacy.

I am starting to get very angry at all this anti UK farmer propaganda put out by this clique of RT, miller's AIC and any one else with a vested interest of passing th buck to the farmers.....

They have you where they want you and want to keep you there

 

[jonnieboy]

This is how they intend to position themselves
We are unfit to produce safe food without RT assurance looking over us
Going to be a bumpy ride !

 

[Vader]

Reminds me of this:

" A consignment of rice bran was contaminated with Lead during its transport from Burma. On its arrival in Belgium the unfit cargo was not destroyed, but sold on and reprocessed into animal feed. The Dutch embassy informed the Ministry's legal department on Wednesday 1 November of a specific consignment thought to be contaminated and delivered to two companies based in Teignmouth and Liverpool. By this time, our own veterinary investigation service had identified from its own investigations a connection between cattle deaths and lead contamination in animal feed."

1989 or there abouts.

How much lead was there to kill cows ?
Lead water pipes were common and still used.
As a kid I handled lead most weeks, melting it down and pouring into moulds to make toy soldiers.
I know someone who used to chew air gun pellets for years before his parents realised and stopped him.
No noticeable effects.
So to have killed cows???

 

[Dave645]

This is how they intend to position themselves
We are unfit to produce safe food without RT assurance looking over us
Going to be a bumpy ride !

I agree, it could be, but the more the public the debate the more this tactic back fires on RT, stories like those actually show RT is useless,
If I had to guess I would guess the mill made assumptions in the pre processing of the milling wheat to remove contaminates like lead shot, then when found blamed it on the RT farmers because my guess is imports get extra possessing as a matter of coarse to remove unknown contaminates. The Miller will know that imports with no assurance to speak of is more likely to be contaminated than domestic and contamination doesn’t just have to be lead. I mean rats and pests on ships is unheard of I am sure.

 

[teslacoils]

Proper union / RT would instantly redlist the mill, and insist that members pull rank and refuse to supply for a calendar month to such a ludicrous reaction.

This shows exactly who's boss, and it's not the farmer.

 

[graham mc]

i smell poo lets dig deeper and get to the bottom of the story

 

[Wooly]

Reading all this about FA, I do wonder how I ever survived to my age..................especially as I spent the first 35 years of life eating non assured food !!

 

[SilliamWhale]

i smell poo lets dig deeper and get to the bottom of the story

Tweet him and ask him for greater clarification as to why they think imports are immune from lead shot but Red Tractor isn't?

@Joe_UKMillers

Furthermore these millers are not using the the Red Tractor label on their produce (because they don't want to pay for it) and they are also not paying a premium for farmers providing RT milling wheat

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

I thought flour mills had some filtration method that only lets flour through, and not larger particles.

Of course they do