Harry's Farm

Harry's farm

delilah

Member
But then again I intensively feed my calves ad lib barley to finish them BUT all calves bred on the farm and finished on the farm with home grown cereals. The only bought in is mineralised protein balancer ! Where does that leave me? I must save a lot of carbon with less haulage of store cattle and feed?

You are running the right system for your farm. It is no more or less impacting on climate change than any other farm in the country. There is nothing wrong our side of the farm gate.
 

PI Stsker

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
South West
Has anyone seen Tom pembertons new video looking round metcalf farms?

holy moly I knew they were a big concern but geee, that place is something to behold! Own vet practice on site, 1300 milking cows, own truck school, 117 trucks, Russel’s tractor dealership on site & an on site quarry. had a look on google maps and it looks like an industrial estate, it’s hugeee!
 

Old apprentice

Member
Arable Farmer
Has anyone seen Tom pembertons new video looking round metcalf farms?

holy moly I knew they were a big concern but geee, that place is something to behold! Own vet practice on site, 1300 milking cows, own truck school, 117 trucks, Russel’s tractor dealership on site & an on site quarry. had a look on google maps and it looks like an industrial estate, it’s hugeee!
It has changed a massive amount since I was there to do my ai, corse
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
I never said they weren't. They need to start using their communication skills to get across the messages that matter, not 'Here's a look round my Noddy farm'.

are you going to pay them for this service to your business ?

neither is on tv or youtube for fun - it’s their livelihood, why do you feel it reasonable expect anyone to work for nothing ?
 

delilah

Member
are you going to pay them for this service to your business ?

neither is on tv or youtube for fun - it’s their livelihood, why do you feel it resonator expect anyone to work for nothing ?

WTF are you on about ? Anyone who has a social media presence is putting themselves out there for comment. We have a fb page, people comment on it. Harry has a youtube channel, I am commenting on it.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
WTF are you on about ? Anyone who has a social media presence is putting themselves out there for comment. We have a fb page, people comment on it. Harry has a youtube channel, I am commenting on it.

No

in this case Harry / Clarkson are “putting themselves out there” to earn a living from youtube or tv

its not their job to do your industry PR for you.
 

soapsud

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Dorset
Scale brings massive haulage costs for feed in and muck out, higher disease spread risk. Dealing with the emissions (solid, liquid and gas) from a big feed lot would give the EA nightmares
Spell it for us who are non-scientific.

If beef production is off the scale in Brazil AND the use of fossil fuels to feed and transport them about is also factored in then imagine how much more the increase per hectre of CO2 and Methane would be on such an intensive system for the hectre per kilo of meat it produces?
 

soapsud

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Dorset
social media is all about numbers - we have to help ourselves

but i agree AHDB should be also funding this kind of thing but to do so they need to stop thinking so traditionally re PR and start talking to the right people who could achieve a LOT

when i think what i could do with say 500k pa with a small team on social media ( less than 1% of levy) it would change the narrative completely !
Your team could simply harvest all our blather (TFF user content) to bolster the memes and pics that such an enterprise would no doubt require 👍
 

sjt01

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
North Norfolk
Spell it for us who are non-scientific.

If beef production is off the scale in Brazil AND the use of fossil fuels to feed and transport them about is also factored in then imagine how much more the increase per hectre of CO2 and Methane would be on such an intensive system for the hectre per kilo of meat it produces?
CO2 and methane would not change, but a great feedlot full of cattle would have ammonia emissions off scale, especially as the ones we see in pictures are generally in a hot environment.
 

L P

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Newbury
Last month we did a couple of bullocks into beef boxes. Received an email from a would-be new customer, asking a whole load of painfully pc questions. I was doing quite well until I got to the very last question, you could tell from the tone that she barely thought it worth asking: "I assume your cattle are 100% grass fed ?". I could have left her to assume, but I didn't, so a lost customer.

That's the issue. Your Kevin and Karen aren't watching Harry's video. They are too busy keeping their heads above water. Jemimah and Sebastian are watching it though. What possible good is it doing, making our most discerning customers question production methods that are legitimately part of UK agriculture ?

This is why @slackjawedyokel and @L P are so angry at The Soil Association giving its backing to the 'eat less meat and dairy' court case. Lets tell our loyal SA members Jemimah and Sebastian to eat less meat. How much of a kick in the teeth is that for SA certification payers ?

So, yes, you are correct. I am slipping. Harry is a muppet. Make videos about buying local, about buying British, about the need to keep our abattoirs open. But don't make videos that pit one livestock production system against another.
It is a kick in the teeth, not just that, but hugely hypocritical of SA ethos of encouraging mixed farming and livestock production, organic fertiliser/manure is also encouraged. Its no better to take that stance of slating one person's practice than a salesman coming to your yard and saying you must by a zetor because your Fendt is crap.
It's also incredibly short sighted, what happens to our uk feed grain market if everything fom poultry to beef is grass reared? Sure, you could say all that land could be grass for the purpose.. but then we would all have to rear stock and in a year like this would have a greater shortage of human consumption quality grain than we already have. There is a good place in the system to intensively rear animals for food off what could otherwise be classed as waste. What the do-gooders think they want to achieve is absolutely opposite to what they actually would achieve.
 

soapsud

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Dorset
CO2 and methane would not change,
Beast for beast, yes. But I was wondering about number of beasts per hectre (feedlot) i.e. much more. And of course, and I'm guessing here, the pasture-methane cycle stops turning if the beasts only eat grain?
but a great feedlot full of cattle would have ammonia emissions off scale, especially as the ones we see in pictures are generally in a hot environment.
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