Hoeing Cereals

[Banana Bar]

Is there anyone doing this successfully. Looking at my wheat I might as well of not bothered with Atlantis. Rotation will be lengthened from this autumn to include a double spring crop s barley, followed by a spring break, could even do a triple spring crop on worst fields. Just wondering if a hoe could be made to work effectively? Majority is heavy land.

BB

 

[deutzfahruk]

This might be of interest to you @Banana Bar. It's the first in the UK according to his other videos.

 

[Banana Bar]

Yes it's next door, just wondering if there are any others doing it with different kit. I really believe we are going to be forced part organic within 10 years.

 

[An Gof]

Is there anyone doing this successfully. Looking at my wheat I might as well of not bothered with Atlantis. Rotation will be lengthened from this autumn to include a double spring crop s barley, followed by a spring break, could even do a triple spring crop on worst fields. Just wondering if a hoe could be made to work effectively? Majority is heavy land.

BB

The answer is on your doorstep with Mr Pawsey

 

[An Gof]

Yes it's next door, just wondering if there are any others doing it with different kit. I really believe we are going to be forced part organic within 10 years.

Try this

 

[Sonoftheheir]

Yes it's next door, just wondering if there are any others doing it with different kit. I really believe we are going to be forced part organic within 10 years.

Why are you not keen on that set up?

 

[jonnieboy]

Interesting concept
Do you want to be pressing after hoeing though ? It looked as though a lot of the blackgrass still had enough soil around the root to live on

 

[Banana Bar]

Why are you not keen on that set up?

Because I think it foolish to only explore one concept

 

[Sonoftheheir]

Needs to be combined with a band sprayer to get the weeds in rows too?

 

[Sonoftheheir]

Because I think it foolish to only explore one concept

Good answer! I just wondered if you weren't quite convinced about that machine. The concept is sound.

 

[ajd132]

Andrew I have been researching this a lot recently, most of the things on the market aren't man enough to rip out large bg plants they just get shunted around.
Looking into the economics of building a 12m hoe for ctf perhaps using the feet on johns drill or the same coulters I use on my drill. I'd also like the ability to inter sow things like clover to create a fertile building under story. Could be some scope to collaborate.

 

[rose pilchett]

Sure dyson will invent solution to bg soon enough once he's finished doing hairdryer etc, necessity is mother of invention etc

 

[bovrill]

This might be of interest to you @Banana Bar. It's the first in the UK according to his other videos.

I've watched all the videos of that machine, and it does look amazing, but also very expensive for a small farm.
I'm going to play with 10" to 12" rows grown on a ridged system this autumn. It might ease the problems of wheat drowning in wet winters, and a hoe should naturally be guided into the bottom of the ridge, where the weeds will be worst!

I have sufficient confidence to try a well hidden 8 acre field with a 4m set up I can easily make. That way I can spray it off in the spring and start again when the whole thing turns out to be a disaster!
But you've got to try!

 

[beefandsleep]

If we move to hoeing as a mainstream method of weed control our attitude and tolerance to weed levels in crops may change. You will not be expecting 100% control as you might be with chemical control, nor would this be necessary. Relying on competition within the rows and hoeing between the rows to suppress weed growth until the canopy closed. The measure of success would be keeping weed levels below economically acceptable levels and such a system would be a massive plus from an environmental point of view.

 

[spin cycle]

heard of an organic farmer in the eighties controlling blackgrass by shutting off every other coulter on his drill....but uping the seedrate to the 'live' coulters to compensate....then cultivating inter row....never saw it in action though

i shut off every other coulter when drilling low input stewardship barley....it's amazing how it compensates

 

[Clive]

despite thinking 10" rows are the way forward for us I would be cautious if I had a BG problem as you're reducing competition surely ?

 

[Brisel]

Garford Robocrop InRow Weeder?

http://www.garford.com/products_robocropinrow.html

 

[Bill Turtle]

I think Mr Pawsey was using the Garford Robocrop before he purchased the current machine.

 

[Banana Bar]

I think Mr Pawsey was using the Garford Robocrop before he purchased the current machine.

Correct

 

[yellow belly]

the solution is not to grow wheat where bg is going to be that bad get the land clean with rotation then plant winter wheat

I have land that resistant bg in the 1980s /90s that is now virtually bg free
spring crops notill stale seedbeds never had bg out of control on that block

in the past it had ipu resistance fop resistance but had very little pendamethalin until the last 10 years allways used trifluralin in the 80s 90s

other land that had a lot of pendamethalin has restance to it but lower restance to antlantis but not as much spring cropping

we need to rotate crops drilling times cultivations and chemistry