how much are you REDUCING N rates????

[teslacoils]

bought mabye a quarter of it at 280

Aha, then are you buying the rest at today's prices, or waiting? Because you can't do the maths with the latter, and even with the former you can only do it if your happy with the grain price.

Anyway, on the basis I have booked all my fert, I can say my p&k will stay the same, and my nitrogen will be pretty close too as increases on second wheats will be covered by reduction on wheat after grass.

 

[Grass And Grain]

Whole thing is a bit of a worry this year, hopefully cheaper fert next year.

Worst scenario is effect of N price on feed, livestock number, and then back full circle to grain demand. Bumpy road ahead, hoping none of us fall over edge of a cliff.

 

[snarling bee]

All winter cereals have gone in well, and perfect timing, finished just in time before the rain this lunchtime.
I have got a fair bit left over from last year, most of the rest bought early, and I have just spent a fortune on a bit of liquid to finish off, so I will probably not reduce rates by much, especially on the milling wheat.
BUT, assuming you have fertiliser in stock then it is the replacement cost that is important not the actual cost. IF you have yet to buy then I would reduce by 25%.

I will take a P & K holiday at current prices.

 

[B'o'B]

With wheat being £40 per tonne higher than several months ago is it even cost effective to reduce? Case of penny wise, pound stupid?

There’s a well established formula in RB209. Put it this way fert price is currently well off their scale, but the wheat prices aren’t.
At these prices, yes it is sensible to cut N rates of feed wheat. Milling premium will need to adjust up quite a lot to make many people go all out to get full spec protein, unless all their N was brought earlier and all in the shed.

 

[Baling Hay]

What are the most current prices for nitrogen?

 

[bobk]

I'll decide when/ if the fert arrives .

 

[Chae1]

I'm cutting P & K and N rates back. Hope most people do. Lower yields means higher prices. Let the masses know what higher N prices mean and will mean in the future. Food shortages. Unless buyers are willing to commit to higher prices to cover extra costs of fertiliser why should we take all the risk?

 

[Bossfarmer]

Aha, then are you buying the rest at today's prices, or waiting? Because you can't do the maths with the latter, and even with the former you can only do it if your happy with the grain price.

Anyway, on the basis I have booked all my fert, I can say my p&k will stay the same, and my nitrogen will be pretty close too as increases on second wheats will be covered by reduction on wheat after grass.

how much do you drop the rate for wheat after grass?

 

[Ormond]

But if grassland farmers use lower rates, then they may need to buy more grain to supplement = higher grain prices.

Grassland farmers can’t afford to keep stock at these prices!!

Do you keep stock?

 

[teslacoils]

how much do you drop the rate for wheat after grass?

Not sure. It's new for me. Think my brother puts maybe 2/3 the nitrogen after grass than I do after another cereal for the same yield.

 

[oil barron]

With wheat being £40 per tonne higher than several months ago is it even cost effective to reduce? Case of penny wise, pound stupid?

Depends what the price is November 22 for wheat. A lot of farmers still remember the spring 2009 N prices and the November 2009 wheat prices.

 

[Tarw Coch]

But if grassland farmers use lower rates, then they may need to buy more grain to supplement = higher grain prices.

Grassland farmers can’t afford to keep stock at these prices!!

Some very quick number crunching in my head tells me that if I use the same fertiliser next year as this year and I buy at current or higher prices, the money spent on fert could instead be used to rent grass keep which in the £150/200 acre ball park would enable me to somewhere near double my grassland acreage, I wonder which would grow the most grass.

 

[BuskhillFarm]

I worked out my wheat needs to be £16.50 more per tonne to cover the extra cost of what I bought mine at. I’ll take the risk right or wrong and buck the normal rate on.

 

[steveR]

But if grassland farmers use lower rates, then they may need to buy more grain to supplement = higher grain prices.

Grassland farmers can’t afford to keep stock at these prices!!

Poorer quality overwintering cattle are definitely down today in Market... a lot!

 

[bobk]

Poorer quality overwintering cattle are definitely down today in Market... a lot!

They always are , is it brexit ?

 

[capfits]

Manage the slurry a bit better. Makes the economics of it much better for transporting around.
Keep rates much the same in reality.
Bit like the broken barrel principle really, limit one factor, barrel plank you limit the lot.

 

[Fendt65]

I grow a lot of haylage for horsey people but the problem is quite a few arable boys are now putting grass in their rotation plus a good grass year
this then drives the price down when every other cost is going up,will have to sit this out until the spring what ever happens to the price of fertiliser

 

[Banana Bar]

I’m pleased I have very little milling wheat this year. I’m also pleased I have all of my Extran in the shed at £272/t, all liquid was bought at the same time but I cannot remember the price. Perhaps cutting back this year and saving some for next would be sensible. Sell the lot would probably be a smarter move, I’ll bet it will be cheaper after Xmas.

BB

 

[steveR]

They always are , is it brexit ?

Who knows....? Ask Bozo...

He seems to have an answer for every problem, if not a solution....

 

[Jim75]

you think my rates are high? they include compound n down the spout at drilling for the sb, what sort of sb yields are you achieving with 100kg N/ha?

Are you malting or feed or bit of both? Think our contractor still has nightmares from 2 yrs ago when the crop received similar N to yours. Nitrogen level of 2, 2.85-3t/ac. You couldn’t have got it flatter with a heavy grass roller.
Ask me again in a few yrs but last yr 3.25t/ac at 100kg N, this yr approx 2.5t/ac, more N this yr just meant higher grain N for us in high stock grazing situation. Laureate can handle the higher N with us compared to sassy, will be all laureate next yr.