Feldspar
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- Essex, Cambs and Suffolk
No firm view. Probably balance of opinion of people I'd spoken to was to drill it for better establishment. Are there certain things like clovers which are much more suited to broadcasting?
How much N is actually available for a following winter crop after a clover/legume fallow?
- Thread starter snarling bee
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No firm view. Probably balance of opinion of people I'd spoken to was to drill it for better establishment. Are there certain things like clovers which are much more suited to broadcasting?
clover seed is expensive and i seem to struggle to get it established- have tried drilling inter row and broadcast
could you direct drill some farm saved beans or peas maybe ?
Fish
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- North yorkshire
I always drill my clovers, 750 @ shallowest setting, with just enough pressure to cut in.
have tried for 2 years to inter row clover in wheat with avatar - shallow as possible
first year it didn’t even come though, put it down to drought, second year it established and then disappeared a in a couple of weeks - no idea why !
SU residue?
If you have a DD drill and you aren't allowed to cultivate then why on earth would you broadcast?!?!?!
- Location
- Lincolnshire
My thoughts were drill big seeds or broadcast small seeds. As mid may may be warm and dry. Keep it cheap. And fit with rotation. I will be broadcasting barley and wheat with a little bit of something more pretty like phacelia or the like simply for the green cover. Because I don't think for the $$$$ I'll fix enough N.
- Location
- Lincolnshire.
Over the years I get the impression that you farm areas of reasonablely heavy land. If that is the case I would not bother with clover for such a short period. Back in the day my ancestors had some success with one year clover leys however establishment was always an issue. They went on to ryegrass for that reason. The cost of the seed combined with the likely benefits mean it’s hardly worth the hassle. Beans are much easier to establish!!
- Location
- Lincolnshire
I mean,it's not beyond possibility to drill some peas in mid may and get a decent crop....
possible but gap between most recent application and establishment would have been over 18 months
Fish
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- North yorkshire
Well, all the clovers I have drilled, and it will be several hundred acres now ( crimson, red and white) have all been drilled in mid April/mid May, no till into unmoved stubble, or into failed rape (once) and all, with out exception, have established 100%.
I know clover is extremely sensitive to drilling depth, I once mixed berseem clover with ORS, drilled it with the 750 @ 25mm, result was rape came fine, the clover however was 100% failure, only the odd plant on the ins and outs.
I know clover is extremely sensitive to drilling depth, I once mixed berseem clover with ORS, drilled it with the 750 @ 25mm, result was rape came fine, the clover however was 100% failure, only the odd plant on the ins and outs.
ollie989898
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I think you are right about drilling depth. Warm soil and also I believe P and K status is a big factor in how well clover will work.
Feldspar
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- Essex, Cambs and Suffolk
Think that fits into the "not quite in the spirit of things" category!
Feldspar
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- Essex, Cambs and Suffolk
Rather conflicting advice! Unless Fish will admit to farming not very heavy land?
Feldspar
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- Location
- Essex, Cambs and Suffolk
Don't have an easy way to broadcast either.
Feldspar
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- Location
- Essex, Cambs and Suffolk
No FSS beans or peas sadly. Would beans come to much if drilled mid May?
- Location
- Lincolnshire.
He’ll be a lot more professional.
Feldspar
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- Essex, Cambs and Suffolk
Well I certainly don't expect to be very professional in my clover establishment having never grown it in earnest before.
- Location
- Lincolnshire.
Mmmm in my amateur way getting to grips with cover crops just seems involve reading a whole load of jargon. I really like simplistic quantifiable benefits. For example my beans were sold for £1600/ha this year. Of course you’ll want to plough for them.
Wheat with Clover
What would your strategy be with this, its wheat after a 3 year grass/clover ley. Not had any N yet and was grazed for a month with sheep. The clover is still there and feeding the wheat I would imagine?
thefarmingforum.co.uk
Ok so not under sown or inter row as such but wheat here is enjoying clover. 3 year grass and cover ley direct drilled last autumn