HSE inspections

[Cowcalf]

You may think some things what your doing is safe but in reality they might not be and a fresh pair of eyes on farm may flag these up!

Easy for us all to say : I never cut corners but the reality on most farms is quite often not like this, especially at busy periods like lambing/ calving/ harvesting etc and tbh most people are so busy/ tired at these times that they don't realise they are taking short cuts/ putting themselves/ others at risk.

well I have worked by myself for 50 years in the recovery business the logging out of forests and livestock floating plus farming 5000 acres of ground with no visits to doctor or hospital so I am probably more knowledgeable on working than any HSE dick H

 

[bobk]

well I have worked by myself for 50 years in the recovery business the logging out of forests and livestock floating plus farming 5000 acres of ground with no visits to doctor or hospital so I am probably more knowledgeable on working than any HSE dick H

And lucky .

 

[Cowcalf]

And lucky .

Not really keep buying lottery tickets but no millions yet

 

[Agrispeed]

I don't know about all this 'I've been doing this for 80 years/since you were a lad' stuff. The older population have disproportionally more accidents in agriculture than anyone else and experience can lead to complacency.

HSE officers in my experience are quite reasonable, but its the advisers and HSE staff in companies that gold plate the rules and come up with a lot of the bulls**t.

 

[neilo]

You have said that you will have to hide a lot of stuff when they come to inspect you so that means that you are cutting corners in some areas.

Go on then. I’ve just checked back, would you care to quote where i’ve said that?

No, I thought not......

I have nowt that needs hiding, as far as I’m aware anyway.

 

[davidroberts30]

Go on then. I’ve just checked back, would you care to quote where i’ve said that?

No, I thought not......

I have nowt that needs hiding, as far as I’m aware anyway.

Sarcastically, first post

 

[v8willy]

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For Godsake Dave; lets check it's LOLER certificate and get the fudge out of here...

Don't think yer man on the left will be doing much running...

 

[neilo]

Sarcastically, first post

Haha, I missed that. Please forgive my sense of humour, i didn’t expect anyone to take that literally.

 

[davidroberts30]

Haha, I missed that. Please forgive my sense of humour, i didn’t expect anyone to take that literally.

 

[bigw]

HSE are having a crack down because of farming death rate.

Specifically they are looking at stuff such as Loller test certs for telehandlers, man-cage certs, correct signage, training records eg ATV and/or UTV, written H&S assessments if you employ staff and so on.
Only know this because we have just undergone a full farm appraisal by NFU risk assessment team.
Lot of Red to correct

We did the same thing a few years ago and the chap that did ours said that if you are taking contractors in to do work then you should have a h&s policy. I found our report useful especially when we had an unannounced hse visit!

 

[tepapa]

It sounds a bit harsh. HSE can arrive possibly unannounced and then fine you if they find something's not to their liking.
Taking h&s responsibly is obviously important for the health of everyone around but surely advice and time to rectify is more appropriate then an on the spot fine. Well for a first offence anyway.

 

[AndrewM]

http://www.hse.gov.uk/fee-for-intervention/

since 2012 they have had their budgets cut and now use fines and fees to make up the short fall. currently 42% of income.

 

[Phil P]

We have a footpath straight through the middle of the yard,What would the advice be for this situation

I know it’s slightly of topic but the NFU are working on ways to get footpaths moved in these situations, manly on H&S grounds.

 

[kiwi pom]

We have a footpath straight through the middle of the yard,What would the advice be for this situation

Have you made any effort to have it moved or is it a case of 'there's a fee so we're not doing it'?
If I had a footpath through my yard it would be very near the top of my priority list. I'm always amazed at those that have one but make no effort to have it moved.
If at the end of the day it just cant be done, then fair enough.
Better to try and fail than fail to try.

 

[Phil P]

Have you made any effort to have it moved or is it a case of 'there's a fee so we're not doing it'?
If I had a footpath through my yard it would be very near the top of my priority list. I'm always amazed at those that have one but make no effort to have it moved.
If at the end of the day it just cant be done, then fair enough.
Better to try and fail than fail to try.

It’s almost impossible to get a footpath or public right of way moved under current UK laws. Trouble is even if you move it the rambleres will still try and go that way (because they are the most awkward people you’ll ever meet!), and there’s nothing you can do about it. This is why the NFU are currently trying to get a change in the laws on footpaths to enable farmers to move them on safety grounds.

 

[kiwi pom]

It’s almost impossible to get a footpath or public right of way moved under current UK laws. Trouble is even if you move it the rambleres will still try and go that way (because they are the most awkward people you’ll ever meet!), and there’s nothing you can do about it. This is why the NFU are currently trying to get a change in the laws on footpaths to enable farmers to move them on safety grounds.

Oh ok I thought it was a case of pay the fee and jump through all the hoops and you could do it.
Its absolutely ridiculous that a footpath be allowed straight through the middle of a business premises. If moving it was refused and there was an accident would you be able to go after the council?(or whoever is in charge of footpaths)
Probably different in England, here I think our chain of responsibilities laws would have them in the sh*t.
What happens if they build a motorway over a footpath?

 

[Forever Fendt]

I know it’s slightly of topic but the NFU are working on ways to get footpaths moved in these situations, manly on H&S grounds.

To be fair it has never been a problem and the footpath was there before i built the farm buildings and yard,Mrs FF has a couple of pet Goats wandering about the yard one with long horns and the female hates dogs and will charge them even if on a lead and nail them any size it does not matter so it only gets used a few times a year.

 

[Phil P]

Oh ok I thought it was a case of pay the fee and jump through all the hoops and you could do it.
Its absolutely ridiculous that a footpath be allowed straight through the middle of a business premises. If moving it was refused and there was an accident would you be able to go after the council?(or whoever is in charge of footpaths)
Probably different in England, here I think our chain of responsibilities laws would have them in the sh*t.
What happens if they build a motorway over a footpath?

If there’s an accident on a footpath on your property and you new of the potential dangers or cause the accident the book stops with you! Regardless of whether you’ve informed the council that the footpaths is in a stupid place.

 

[matthew]

Oh ok I thought it was a case of pay the fee and jump through all the hoops and you could do it.
Its absolutely ridiculous that a footpath be allowed straight through the middle of a business premises. If moving it was refused and there was an accident would you be able to go after the council?(or whoever is in charge of footpaths)
Probably different in England, here I think our chain of responsibilities laws would have them in the sh*t.
What happens if they build a motorway over a footpath?

The taxpayer funds a very expensive foot bridge.

 

[matthew]

To be fair it has never been a problem and the footpath was there before i built the farm buildings and yard,Mrs FF has a couple of pet Goats wandering about the yard one with long horns and the female hates dogs and will charge them even if on a lead and nail them any size it does not matter so it only gets used a few times a year.

Neighbours had one of these: a Public F/P through a cattle yard. They applied for a diversion and ramblists blocked it.
Roll forward to Parish walk time, and the yard was a foot deep in s**t. Farmer's wife lurked to see what would happen and sure enough, the leader of the walkers (and their dogs) voted to divert around the yard.

"Oh no you don't" said Mrs. Farmer as she popped her head above a wall. "You will keep to the designated path - the one you insisted we couldn't divert to avoid you getting dirty feet".

The path is now diverted.