I dont get it?

[MD @Minshall Buildings]

Thought Id share my latest frustration with you all!

Everyone wants the best price ...I get that as I'm no different, but not when its at a risk to someone's life!

We provide the complete building package including setting out, setting base pads, stoning up and full cladding and erection and whilst we usually fairly competitive on supplying the frame and cladding our erection prices are often deemed too high.....I wonder why?
We always use nets and handrails for roofing and our guys( or any that work for us) are fully ticketed and insured to work at height.

We cant and wont "compete" with this, but why do responsible farmers continue to encourage this blatantly unsafe behaviour in the name of cost saving ( and risk the responsibility if it all goes wrong!)....I just don't get it, so can anyone explain? Thanks

 

[Frank_farmer]

Crazy.

are they contractors or self builders?

 

[SilliamWhale]

Probably because the chances of falling through are slim. Not that im saying its a good thing of course because i fell through a shed roof while repairing a sheet and was very lucky not to be terribly injured.

How many times have people fallen on the net? How many will put the net up to mend one sheet?

Years ago when big sheds like crendon and atcost were putting up sheds with awkward hook fixings and no nets how many workers would have had critical injuries?

 

[MD @Minshall Buildings]

Large Farm....Fairly sure they bought a kit from a well known supplier and then hired the erectors direct

 

[RWG Contracts]

Probably because the chances of falling through are slim. Not that im saying its a good thing of course because i fell through a shed roof while repairing a sheet and was very lucky not to be terribly injured.

How many times have people fallen on the net? How many will put the net up to mend one sheet?

Years ago when big sheds like crendon and atcost were putting up sheds with awkward hook fixings and no nets how many workers would have had critical injuries?

I've never fallen in a net but I feel much happier knowing that it's there

 

[David.]

I know a man who ended up in a net; he said it happened quicker than he thought.
He was glad it was there.

You keep doing it the right way, you will be ever so glad you did one day. Some customers are sharp enough to cut themselves.

 

[MD @Minshall Buildings]

The point in posting this is not to discuss the merit of nets or handrails but to ask why do farmers encourage this clearly unsafe practice?
If they continue to do so, then the safety conscious suppliers will just move to other markets where they can compete on a level playing field........leaving the wild west behind with their race to cut even more corners with the risk and consequences borne by the client ( in this case farmer)!
Lunacy in my book?

 

[David.]

For a cheaper price.

 

[7610 super q]

Because farmers have to produce for at, or below COP. Corners have to be cut, savings have to be made.
Not saying it's right, but that's how it is.

 

[milkloss]

There's not a great deal of money to go round is there. Farmers are always bodging/making do/taking risks because of this. There's a few threads on here to show: from welding drawbars to fixing gutters from the telehandler bucket.

If there was loads of cash sloshing round we'd to do things the right way but there's not. The cynic in me also sees that if sales prices are good then everything follows such as fert, machinery and .....,,buildings!

 

[Boysground]

Just put a shed up. Job went to cheapest quote. Handrails nets fancy man cages the works.No issues with safety

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[MD @Minshall Buildings]

Perfect........that's (safe) competition!

 

[Steevo]

Local firm here do it right and at a very reasonable price. Happy to let them do the whole job where the bases, steel, cladding are involved. Nice to see the OP are another firm who don't leave the bases to a third party. Much better and cheaper do let them do it imo.

Just like @RWG Contracts!

 

[Badshot]

Thought Id share my latest frustration with you all!

Everyone wants the best price ...I get that as I'm no different, but not when its at a risk to someone's life!

We provide the complete building package including setting out, setting base pads, stoning up and full cladding and erection and whilst we usually fairly competitive on supplying the frame and cladding our erection prices are often deemed too high.....I wonder why?
We always use nets and handrails for roofing and our guys( or any that work for us) are fully ticketed and insured to work at height.

We cant and wont "compete" with this, but why do responsible farmers continue to encourage this blatantly unsafe behaviour in the name of cost saving ( and risk the responsibility if it all goes wrong!)....I just don't get it, so can anyone explain? Thanks

Wasn't till I zoomed in I realised they weren't in between the power lines too. First glance I thought the lines were only a foot above the roof.

 

[Deereone]

Man will stop evolving unless we remove the safety nets.

My last barn was vastly more expensive because the builders followed the H&S line. But the scaffolders made a laughing stock H&S they didn't have scaffolding and nets to protect them. Are they immune from danger?

 

[SilliamWhale]

Man will stop evolving unless we remove the safety nets.

My last barn was vastly more expensive because the builders followed the H&S line. But the scaffolders made a laughing stock H&S they didn't have scaffolding and nets to protect them. Are they immune from danger?

But if they fell off youd be in the sh!t

 

[Adam@Rumen]

Could you get them to sign something stating they will adhere to all relevant H&S legislation, failure to do so is at their own risk?

 

[Kidds]

Saw a farmer standing in a telehandler bucket chainsawing branches off a tree last week. Right on the side of an A road.
Farmers are a bit bonkers, then whinge when the face £10k's of fines and jail time when it goes wrong.

I am all for getting on with the job but never by risking someones life/health.

 

[Forever Fendt]

fell through a roof in 2000 it was 26 ft high and a new roof at that no warning, net everything now ,Remember farmers you are responsible for any accidents on your farm unless you are employing a ltd company and then it is the director who's for it should it go wrong so basically the farmer in the picture is gambling a big chunk of the farm on black or red

 

[llamedos]

Because, like all breaches of H&S and best practice guidelines, there is the attitude of, it will never happen to me mentality.

Well it does, and it will, and whether it be one of your own or someone you employ, you have to ask, am I prepared to have a serious injury or worse on my conscience for the rest of my life, will someones husband not be going home, will some little boys daddy not be there to see him grow up.

Accidents happen, no getting away from that, but mitigating the risk to a minimum is achievable.