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I personally think no matter what deal he gets (if at all) that Labour and the SNP won’t vote for it regardless if it’s better than pervious. What happens in that situation? Back to no deal again or?
If Boris does get a deal....
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Danllan
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I've long thought the same in re' Labour and the SNP, well, about the SNP as a whole and about the Labour leadership. I think that if Boris can get a reasonable deal, a sufficient number of Labour MPs will vote for it to see it through - and at the same time to undermine JC.
M-J-G
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Boris has 7 weeks, any deal done in that time is going to be a rushed job.
TM was criticised for leaving it so late, anyone notice a pattern emerging.....
TM was criticised for leaving it so late, anyone notice a pattern emerging.....
holywell farmer
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I think Boris get deal by skin of his teeth
I wouldn't think he will get much of a deal worth talking about now he has had his wings clipped by the treasonous collaborators, it seems that the remainers are still in charge at the top and they will keep moaning and moaning till they get their way
what a good job [not] these remainers at the top have made of the question of the UK's involvement with the EU for the last few decades that they have caused it to come to this, opinion over the matter in the UK completely split and the UK government unable to do anything thanks to them, I hope they are pleased with themselves and no doubt they are and will look with pride over the mess they have made of it for so many years
what a good job [not] these remainers at the top have made of the question of the UK's involvement with the EU for the last few decades that they have caused it to come to this, opinion over the matter in the UK completely split and the UK government unable to do anything thanks to them, I hope they are pleased with themselves and no doubt they are and will look with pride over the mess they have made of it for so many years
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Labour may back a deal now just to get out of the mess , they know if they go for an election the chances are they will lose as they are in no mans land , LD will take most of their votes and they wont get any leave votes
Danllan
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But they are right... they have told us.
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Don't try and blame Remainers (apart from Cameron) for any of this FF'ing mess. If the loons in the ERG and the DUP had voted for TM's deal the UK would be in the transitional period now. They decided to try and have their cake and eat it. Still, it's looking possible the France and Netherlands along with others may veto any further extension.
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I think everyone is to blame to some degree or another, for the position we are now in.
With parliament having agreed to honour the result of the referendum and to enact article 50, it is becoming increasingly clear that members of the cabinet, opposition and the civil service have been doing everything they can to undermine the process of negotiating a deal and planning for leaving without a deal with the sole aim of preventing the UK leaving the EU.
This is completely contrary to decisions made entirely democratically.
I do have some respect for the 'loons' at the extreme ends of the leave and remain argument as they have a least been honest and consistent in their aims. It is the majority who declared they would respect the result but now hide behind the dishonest facade of preventing a no deal which their vote for enacting article 50 explicitly made possible, who deserve utter ridicule.
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I am not trying to blame anyone I don't need to try, I am saying who is to blame and that is the remainers at the top, they have been at the top and in charge both in government's and parliaments for decades so they are to blame for all there mishandling of the UK'S relationship with the EU ever since the UK joined and this is what it has come to thanks to them, nobody else has been in charge and that is still the case so the buck stops with them and no other bugger
M-J-G
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Let's not be fooled into thinking that any of them give a toss. Most of it is an act, they all just want money for themselves and will say anything and pretend to want whatever it takes to get it.
Just look at how much Boris smirks when he speaks, he doesn't give a sh1t about Brexit or how good a job he does of it, nobody can surely be surprised at how things have gone for him so far, especially him.
Just look at how much Boris smirks when he speaks, he doesn't give a sh1t about Brexit or how good a job he does of it, nobody can surely be surprised at how things have gone for him so far, especially him.
Just out of interest. If it's Remainers' fault for their (sp) mishandling of the UK's relationship with the UK ever since the UK joined', then when did they switch from being joiners to remainers?
When we joined
67 % - 33% in 1975. So 1/3 never wanted to join in the first place. After 45 shitty years, that's grown to over 50%. IMO, a few more concessions over the years, and a couple of thousand less silly rules, and we would have never been in this situation.
I can't see us getting a satisfactory deal. The EU's job is to give us a good spanking.
I can't see us getting a satisfactory deal. The EU's job is to give us a good spanking.
Just a say to the voters when there was a relationship change with the EU would have done for me, had it all been voted for by the people I would have voted remain in the ref but it wasnt and nor was it going to be in the future so I didnt
Danllan
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That is disingenuous. You must have read TM's 'Deal' by now, surely what with you advocating it, so you must be fully aware of what it contains; how it doesn't give the UK autonomy and does ties the UK to the EU and its institutions. Put simply it was BRINO and no more, did you not use that term for it yourself? Apologies if you didn't, my memory is getting worse with age. And, as BRINO, of course it was unacceptable to those of us who want to leave the EU.
TM's deal was a huge compromise for anyone supporting Brexit, meaning those who voted for it. I am at a loss as to what, if they won a referendum, remainers would, or legally could do to 'compromise' for those of us who want to leave. There is nothing, literally nothing that they could do, not under the law (EU) as it stands.
So there we are, a small majority vote to leave and the remainers demand compromise, a small majority vote to remain and there is no concession made to those wanting to leave...
Courier
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But the Tories are going to "Test the Law" .....
But how ?
Are they going to take us out by signing aganist the law and then wait 3 months for their actions to be put before a court where it will be found out that , yes they did act illegally but, Hey Ho it's too late now - A bit like when Timothy John Evans was exonerated of his wife and daughters' murder....
But how ?
Are they going to take us out by signing aganist the law and then wait 3 months for their actions to be put before a court where it will be found out that , yes they did act illegally but, Hey Ho it's too late now - A bit like when Timothy John Evans was exonerated of his wife and daughters' murder....
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There have been many 'remainers' who have openly declared that they would do 'absolutely anything' to stop Brexit and expect those who are honorably trying to enact the will of the people to simply shrug and give up.
The freedom of information demands are just another unconstitutional way of trying to undermine Brexit. They want to know if they have missed any possible paths to leaving without a deal that civil servants haven't already leaked to them. I believe Amber Rudd only really resigned because the other members of the cabinet where not involving her as they didn't believe they could trust her with any important information.
Boris is being painted as the mad egomaniac who destroyed parliament for some personal gain but history will show he was defending democracy from a heathen of hypocrites.
So I hope there is a plan and that it works, but I don't expect anyone to know about it until it is put to effect.
No deal IS better than a bad deal.
A bad deal IS better than another bloody extension.
M-J-G
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I believe there are some on both sides who would do anything to have their way.
I get the impression that there are some who would let Boris, Nigel, Jeremy or whoever have a go on their Mrs and as long at they delivered what they wanted.