If you tell lies you'll get caught out eventually

[glasshouse]

Is the whole kerfuffle just because some bloke said his calves were younger than they were?
Who cares? Women have been doing that for years.

 

[Pistonbroke]

Is the whole kerfuffle just because some bloke said his calves were younger than they were?
Who cares? Women have been doing that for years.

But they always claim they weigh less than they do aswell

 

[egbert]

Is the whole kerfuffle just because some bloke said his calves were younger than they were?
Who cares? Women have been doing that for years.

you are a bad man glasshouse.........made I larff though

 

[egbert]

To be fair I don't think the showing is any more to blame than the desire to falsify figures or the egotistical attitudes tendencies of breeders.

Very few breeders of any species or breed are interested in the good of the breed, most are only interested in their own personal success, some just allow this to consume them more than others do

It's a very ob, and a very deep topic.
why we do what we do?
what are our goals as individuals?
who is to say what is best for a breed?
what IS a breed?

Specifically, an individual breeders own success ought to marry with their breed of choice's success.
But then, if a shortcut, or dodge helps them financially........the train is running the wrong way again.

The most dominant breeds in a species often chase their headline traits at the exclusion of other basic stuff. It's natural for breeders to do it, but doesn't help in the end.

 

[sheepwise]

It's a very ob, and a very deep topic.
why we do what we do?
what are our goals as individuals?
who is to say what is best for a breed?
what IS a breed?

Specifically, an individual breeders own success ought to marry with their breed of choice's success.
But then, if a shortcut, or dodge helps them financially........the train is running the wrong way again.

The most dominant breeds in a species often chase their headline traits at the exclusion of other basic stuff. It's natural for breeders to do it, but doesn't help in the end.

Old shepherd always said if people are buying oranges then no point in trying to sell apples. In general the market dictates what is bred for it but different breeders have different outlets eg. selling from home to commercial buyers as opposed to breed shows and sales.

 

[Top Tip.]

It's a very ob, and a very deep topic.
why we do what we do?
what are our goals as individuals?
who is to say what is best for a breed?
what IS a breed?

Specifically, an individual breeders own success ought to marry with their breed of choice's success.
But then, if a shortcut, or dodge helps them financially........the train is running the wrong way again.

The most dominant breeds in a species often chase their headline traits at the exclusion of other basic stuff. It's natural for breeders to do it, but doesn't help in the end.

You see it all the time certain traits being selected that have no commercial value, the teardrop being one that springs to mind.

 

[egbert]

Old shepherd always said if people are buying oranges then no point in trying to sell apples. In general the market dictates what is bred for it but different breeders have different outlets eg. selling from home to commercial buyers as opposed to breed shows and sales.

I take the point, although if I followed the logic, I'd be trying to (badly) breed oranges, when what i can do is produce half decent apples.

 

[glasshouse]

You see it all the time certain traits being selected that have no commercial value, the teardrop being one that springs to mind.

The teardrop you have while writing the cheque?

 

[sheepwise]

You see it all the time certain traits being selected that have no commercial value, the teardrop being one that springs to mind.

Suppose big nostrils in texels help with breathing to be fair!

 

[egbert]

Suppose big nostrils in texels help with breathing to be fair!

I'm sure I've told the tale before.
My old man reckoned there was a theory - which may very well be right for all I know- that too much inbreeding in South Devons showed as very small ears.
soon thereafter, a trend developed for great long droopy ears.....achieved mostly by careful linebreeding

 

[neilo]

Old shepherd always said if people are buying oranges then no point in trying to sell apples. In general the market dictates what is bred for it but different breeders have different outlets eg. selling from home to commercial buyers as opposed to breed shows and sales.

What happens when the orange customers wake up and want to buy apples suddenly? The decline of the Suffolk breed is a case in point, where the 'oranges' had plenty of bone, ears long enough to touch their noses and heads as wide as their bodies. Suddenly they fell off a cliff, as folk realised that apples were a whole lot easier to eat and lots of orange growers lost a lot of money/capital value in a very short space of time.

 

[Ysgythan]

What happens when the orange customers wake up and want to buy apples suddenly? The decline of the Suffolk breed is a case in point, where the 'oranges' had plenty of bone, ears long enough to touch their noses and heads as wide as their bodies. Suddenly they fell off a cliff, as folk realised that apples were a whole lot easier to eat and lots of orange growers lost a lot of money/capital value in a very short space of time.

Yeah, but the magic circle orange boys will be ETing the guts out of some posh apples before you turn round…

 

[jamesy]

The Orange guys have already had a good go at the tex…. I mean apples and have a few green houses of Char…. I mean pears too

 

[jamesy]

The Orange guys have already had a good go at the tex…. I mean apples and have a few green houses of Char…. I mean pears too

To be fair, if I’d been more on the ball I’d have used lemons as the analogy for char!

 

[glasshouse]

What happens when the orange customers wake up and want to buy apples suddenly? The decline of the Suffolk breed is a case in point, where the 'oranges' had plenty of bone, ears long enough to touch their noses and heads as wide as their bodies. Suddenly they fell off a cliff, as folk realised that apples were a whole lot easier to eat and lots of orange growers lost a lot of money/capital value in a very short space of time.

The suffolk breed was ruined by hobby farmers breeding big heads and shoulders and things that couldnt get up and suck
Serves them right

 

[M-J-G]

Is the whole kerfuffle just because some bloke said his calves were younger than they were?
Who cares? Women have been doing that for years.

It was dates that he was working on, but DNA ended up being a problem too.
I suppose some women tell lies about the breeding of their progeny too.

 

[som farmer]

It was dates that he was working on, but DNA ended up being a problem too.
I suppose some women tell lies about the breeding of their progeny too.

from the woman's perspective, DNA could create more problems, than it solves

 

[glasshouse]

It was dates that he was working on, but DNA ended up being a problem too.
I suppose some women tell lies about the breeding of their progeny too.

And mismothering happens too

 

[glasshouse]

from the woman's perspective, DNA could create more problems, than it solves

Could go back years, centuries even
Postmen must be shitting bricks

 

[M-J-G]

And mismothering happens too

Mismothering and misfathering, can't be sexist