If you think it's bad here.....

[stewart]

Incredible how harsh the Covid rules in NZ are and yet nothing seems to be done about the death toll on the roads......

When kids are taught by people who cannot drive themselves then that is the result you get.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

According to NZ statistics it stands at 7.7 per 100,000 per year, albeit down from 21.4 in 1990. It's not like NZ is a 3rd world country or something.

The EU average is 5.05.
The UK is 2.7

Thanks for the insult by the way.

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Yeah, but have you seen the roads and traffic volumes in the UK? Nearly impossible to have a fatal RTA on the M25!!!

 

[FonterraFarmer]

When kids are taught by people who cannot drive themselves then that is the result you get.

If you take speed, alcohol and electric puha out of the numbers it would be a lot lower!!!

 

[FonterraFarmer]

When kids are taught by people who cannot drive themselves then that is the result you get.

Just don't drive like a Jafa or bogan....

 

[NZDan]

Yeah, but have you seen the roads and traffic volumes in the UK? Nearly impossible to have a fatal RTA on the M25!!!

I do quite a bit of driving in both countries. the biggest difference is the quality of the roads and driving behavior of young drivers

 

[FonterraFarmer]

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I do quite a bit of driving in both countries. the biggest difference is the quality of the roads and driving behavior of young drivers

I doubt I could be accused of excessive speed...., that said the quality of roading is s**t locally and has deteriorated especially in the last 6 -18 months.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Incredible how harsh the Covid rules in NZ are and yet nothing seems to be done about the death toll on the roads......

They did - lowered the drinking age

 

[stewart]

If you take speed, alcohol and electric puha out of the numbers it would be a lot lower!!!

If you taught basic road rules and traffic flows, plus get some real fines in place for overtaking on double yellow lines and blind corners it would be lower still.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

They did - lowered the drinking age

Yes lowered it from 20 years down to 18 years to stop the 16 year olds from going to the pub.

 

[NZDan]

Yes lowered it from 20 years down to 18 years to stop the 16 year olds from going to the pub.

I think the massive insurance costs in the UK lead to more responsible younger drivers, as a demographic.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

I think the massive insurance costs in the UK lead to more responsible younger drivers, as a demographic.

It wouldn't be difficult to be a safer driver than myself as a teen.
Empty roads x gutless old cars = disaster in waiting

One thing I did do to make amends was join up with "Prodrive" when that started out [basic car control training with new drivers] and the standard of new drivers shocked even me (a proper hoon) .

 

[Kiwi Pete]

After saying that, I've been in the local VFB for 5 years and never attended a single MVA with a kiwi or novice driver at the helm - all tourists

basically they get off the plane, into a rental and crash on the first gravel road they come to - unfortunately that's generally in our fire district

 

[FonterraFarmer]

After saying that, I've been in the local VFB for 5 years and never attended a single MVA with a kiwi or novice driver at the helm - all tourists

basically they get off the plane, into a rental and crash on the first gravel road they come to - unfortunately that's generally in our fire district

The only road surface where the crossply's were any good was gravel....

 

[stewart]

I think the massive insurance costs in the UK lead to more responsible younger drivers, as a demographic.

Having put 3 kids through a driving test the standard of the examiners was appalling, 2 of them failed for hesitating at a junction, took me 3 months to stop them pulling out in front of cars.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

I think the massive insurance costs in the UK lead to more responsible younger drivers, as a demographic.

Actually, it's driving huge rates of uninsured younger drivers these days....

It's estimate that around 20% of UK drivers are now uninsured.

 

[capfits]

I am wondering with the news of stations not getting fuel delivered if Brexit is more successful than Fair fuel protests of 2000.
Just a thought.....

 

[Tubbylew]

Actually, it's driving huge rates of uninsured younger drivers these days....

It's estimate that around 20% of UK drivers are now uninsured.

I expect the insurance is cripplingly expensive, my insurance when I started driving was as much as my car, nearly 20 years ago. Not looking foward to my kids driving but they won't survive without.

 

[kiwi pom]

Having put 3 kids through a driving test the standard of the examiners was appalling, 2 of them failed for hesitating at a junction, took me 3 months to stop them pulling out in front of cars.

Back when I took my car test in England, hesitating and not making progress when situations allowed it were the most popular fail points according to my instructor.
I see it here all the time, people waiting at junctions because they can't judge the speed of other motorists, not accelerating into a gap to merge safely and stopping at roundabouts when its empty.
Perhaps your kids instructors were bad, maybe they weren't explaining themselves properly? It doesn't mean they should pull out in front of cars but they should be able to demonstrate, safe, confident driving to pass a test.
The biggest faults I see here are the inability to follow at the correct distance and not being able to stay in the correct lane, especially on bends.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

You won't like my driving, too many Sundays burning avgas

we may just swap paint one day!

 

[FonterraFarmer]

You won't like my driving, too many Sundays burning avgas

we may just swap paint one day!

I'm just thankful there's a big enough gap between you and Dave.