Maybe someone like yourself should explain that to all the hospitals after all just think of all think of that cost you could save the NHS!
Illness sweeps the UK .
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Charlie Gill
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That's not the conclusion from the Bangladesh study.
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When I used to watch Mash in my younger days, I swear they wore masks even way back then.
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I have read that departments where they wear FFP2 masks, have low transmission rates of Covid, however I see people wearing masks in supermarkets with valves to exhale. If the mask is to protect against spreading Covid, that type of mask will not work!
This is what the guidance says on mask classification
FFP1 mask
These masks protect against larger dust particles and aerosols, which is why they are used, for example, in construction, but they will not protect us from COVID-19! Class FFP1 masks must trap at least 80% of airborne particles.FFP2 mask
They protect against the finest dust and aerosol particles, and when these masks can filter 0.11 µm particles (COVID-19 coronavirus particle size), they provide effective protection against the virus. Class FFP2 masks must capture at least 94% of airborne particles.For a mask to be effective, there has to also be a good "seal" to the skin, this is the guidance on shaving
If you want to combine an FFP2 or N95 mask with facial hair, here's what the experts at the CDC say you should know.
Beards and stubble: Beards and stubble are a no-go for anyone looking to correctly wear an FFP mask, according to the CDC.
The same goes for the so-called "chin curtain." That means Abe Lincoln would not have been able to protect himself with an N95 mask.
While the five o'clock shadow doesn't get a mention in the CDC guidelines, a daily shave seems to be the safest way to go.
So, I am not saying masks do not work, however, I am saying unfitted masks or the wrong mask does not protect anyone, all it does do is signify to the population that there is a pandemic!
They wore them during the Spanish flu
They don't seem to have helped the situation in Wales.
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well, what do you expect when we are ruled by air raid warden Hodges (with a supporting role from the verger (Captain Hindsight) in London)
Actually mask wearing does nothing at all and if you go to the WHO website you can now see that it recommends AGAINST wearing masks. Originally it was assumed that covid spread by us breathing out droplets which could not pass through a mask, nor can droplets travel more than about a meter (hence the 2 meter rule) BUT later studies found that it was actually an aerosolised spray which we breath out and which cannot be stopped by masks and which can also travel in air currents substantial distances. But Boris and his team think it makes us feel safer to be masked up, lol.
Consider Florida with no lockdowns or masks (and the oldest population in the USA) compared with NYC compulsory masks and lockdowns. Florida has one of the lowest cov rates in the US while it is running rife in NYC.
But also very different population density and climate both of which make a difference
Interesting that you quote my post in replying it does nothing at all.
I wrote that it’s a courtesy and a reminder that the disease is about (and some other bla bla bla)
Clearly you have a different view on that but your selective crap about droplets etc. Has nothing or at most little with what I wrote
Enjoy!
Farfrae
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Why? No there is no high quality evidence that they do anything. Plenty of idiots pulling a filthy bit of rag out of their car ashtray to do their 'virtue sinaling' though; for that is all it is.
Meanwhile there are also plenty of studies and stories etc. now showing that the vaccines are equally as pointless. But people still believe that we should decimate society for a disease that 99.904% of people survive if they catch it.
1) Gazit et al. out of Israel showed that “SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected.”
2) Acharya et al. found “no significant difference in cycle threshold values between vaccinated and unvaccinated, asymptomatic and symptomatic groups infected with SARS-CoV-2 Delta.”
3) Riemersma et al. found “no difference in viral loads when comparing unvaccinated individuals to those who have vaccine “breakthrough” infections. Furthermore, individuals with vaccine breakthrough infections frequently test positive with viral loads consistent with the ability to shed infectious viruses.” Results indicate that “if vaccinated individuals become infected with the delta variant, they may be sources of SARS-CoV-2 transmission to others.” They reported “low Ct values (<25) in 212 of 310 fully vaccinated (68%) and 246 of 389 (63%) unvaccinated individuals. Testing a subset of these low-Ct samples revealed infectious SARS-CoV-2 in 15 of 17 specimens (88%) from unvaccinated individuals and 37 of 39 (95%) from vaccinated people.”
4) Chemaitelly et al. reported a Qatar study which showed that the vaccine efficacy (Pfizer) declined to near zero by 5 to 6-months and even immediate protection after one to two months were largely exaggerated.
5) A Siri reporting suggests that as high as 90% of hospitalizations in the US are among the vaccinated.
6) Riemersma et al. reported Wisconsin data that corroborate how the vaccinated individuals who get infected with the Delta variant can potentially (and are) transmit (ting) SARS-CoV-2 to others (potentially to the vaccinated and unvaccinated). They found an elevated viral load in the unvaccinated and vaccinated symptomatic persons (68% and 69% respectively, 158/232 and 156/225). This implied no difference between the vaccinated and unvaccinated in terms of carriage and transmission (symptomatic). Moreover, in the asymptomatic persons, they uncovered elevated viral loads (29% and 82% respectively) in the unvaccinated and the vaccinated respectively. This suggests that the vaccinated can be infected, harbour, cultivate, and transmit the virus readily and can be doing this unknowingly.
7) Subramanian reported that observed increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination when they looked at 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States. In other words, there is no clear discernable relationship (maybe a marginally positive association, where higher vaccination did not reduce the transmission).
8) Chau et al. (HCWs in Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh), looked at transmission of SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant among vaccinated healthcare workers in Vietnam, and their findings further ransacks the COVID-19 injection landscape and throws it into turmoil in terms of disastrous findings. 69 healthcare workers were tested positive for SARS-CoV-2. 62 participated in the clinical study. Researchers reported “23 complete-genome sequences were obtained. They all belonged to the Delta variant, and were phylogenetically distinct from the contemporary Delta variant sequences obtained from community transmission cases, suggestive of ongoing transmission between the workers. Viral loads of breakthrough Delta variant infection cases were 251 times higher than those of cases infected with old strains detected between March-April 2020”.
9) A CDC report by Brown in the MMWR (Barnstable, Massachusetts, July 2021) found that in 469 cases of COVID-19, there were 74% that occurred in fully vaccinated persons. “The vaccinated had on average more virus in their nose than the unvaccinated who were infected.”
10) Finland nosocomial hospital outbreak (spread among HCWs and patients): “In conclusion, this outbreak demonstrated that, despite full vaccination and universal masking of HCW, breakthrough infections by the Delta variant via symptomatic and asymptomatic HCW occurred, causing nosocomical infections.”
11) Israel nosocomial hospital outbreak (also spread among HCWs and patients) both revealed that the PPE and masks were essentially ineffective in the healthcare setting. The index cases were usually fully vaccinated and most (if not all transmission) tended to occur between patients and staff who were masked and fully vaccinated, underscoring the high transmission of the Delta variant among vaccinated and masked persons.
12) UK’s Public Health England Report # 42 on page 23 raised serious concerns when it reported that “waning of the N antibody response over time and (iii) recent observations from UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) surveillance data that N antibody levels appear to be lower in individuals who acquire infection following 2 doses of vaccination.”
13) This UK report #42 (Table 2, page 13), as well as those reports 36 to 41, show a pronounced and very troubling trend, which is that the double vaccinated persons are showing greater infection (per 100,000) than the unvaccinated, and especially in the older age groups e.g. 30 years and above.
14) CDC’s Director Rochelle Walensky admitted that the vaccines are not stopping transmission which is an admission limits vaccine effectiveness.
15) Levin et al. “conducted a 6-month longitudinal prospective study involving vaccinated health care workers who were tested monthly for the presence of anti-spike IgG and neutralizing antibodies”…they found that “six months after receipt of the second dose of the BNT162b2 vaccine, humoral response was substantially decreased, especially among men, among persons 65 years of age or older….”
16) 40% of local Covid-19 cases in Syracuse, New York, are in the vaccinated.
17) Israel: One leading Israeli health official reported that the vaccinated are accounting for 95% of severe and 90% of new hospitalizations for COVID-19.
18) Suthar et al. examined the durability of immune responses to the BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine. They “analyzed antibody responses to the homologous Wu strain as well as several variants of concern, including the emerging Mu (B.1.621) variant, and T cell responses in a subset of these volunteers at six months (day 210 post-primary vaccination) after the second dose…data demonstrate a substantial waning of antibody responses and T cell immunity to SARS-CoV-2 and its variants, at 6 months following the second immunization with the BNT162b2 vaccine.”
19) Nordström in Sweden report on their study which shows that (cohort comprised 842,974 pairs (N=1,684,958), including individuals vaccinated with 2 doses of ChAdOx1 nCoV-19, mRNA-1273, or BNT162b2, and matched unvaccinated individuals) “vaccine effectiveness of BNT162b2 against infection waned progressively from 92% (95% CI, 92-93, P<0·001) at day 15-30 to 47% (95% CI, 39-55, P<0·001) at day 121-180, and from day 211 and onwards no effectiveness could be detected (23%; 95% CI, -2-41, P=0·07).”
20) CDC Director Rochelle Walensky’s and Dr. Fauci’s call for boosters basically tells you all you needed to know, that the vaccine has failed to live up to its most elaborate promises.
21) Yahi et al. reported that “in the case of the Delta variant, neutralizing antibodies have a decreased affinity for the spike protein, whereas facilitating antibodies display a strikingly increased affinity. Thus, ADE may be a concern for people receiving vaccines based on the original Wuhan strain spike sequence (either mRNA or viral vectors).”
22) Israel is prepping for a 4th booster shot; it reveals that the vaccine has not to live up to its inflated promise.
Heres a link to the WHO website recommending the use of masks. I bet you can’t put up a link where they say otherwise as you claim.
A piece of rag is not a mask , it's a piece of rag
There's far too much there to go into properly but the 2 things I take from vaccines is that compared to the last time we had this number of cases the daily deaths were measured in thousands and a report said that the unvaccinated are 11 times more likely to die than the vaccinated.
The two stats seem to match up pretty accurately to me.
A lot of that stuff seems to concentrate on the fact that vaccinated people are still catching covid but we were always told that that would happen. Considering we are all but back to normal now compared to the restrictions we were under the last time cases were at this level we probably aren't doing too badly, we are going for herd immunity now.
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Vaccination Status of Deaths and Hospitalisations – 13 September to 10 October 2021
Analysis of vaccination status of patients who have died or been hospitalised from COVID-19.
