Immigration Good For The Country?

[bluebell]

So the people who should no better keep telling us, sure i agree that a lot of jobs our lot should do but cant be bothered for many reasons, but their is another side to this not often talked about, and i cant understand this? Number one the massive need for house building, surley this is a direct connesquence of immigration? alright if your comming from some s..hole, but what about us locals who see our quality of life being destroyed? Another point on another post they are talking about knotter parts from balers being possibley stolen to order for other countries? i have had personnal experience of a vehicle being targeted by foreign gangs that now roam our countryside with no fear from our keystone kops? I havent even got on to the massive drug problem or the fact more of the prisen population is increasing made up of foreign born?

 

[Mac10]

The thing is 'Immigration' is too broad a term. For instance skilled migration and seasonal migration are generally positive. Unskilled, back of the lorry type migration not so much.

With net migration at 244,000 a year, this does have an effect on house building, everybody needs somewhere to live.

 

[RobFZS]

Immigration is good if you want cheap waiters, foreign doctors you cant understand because the government dont want to invest in training our own, delays on technological advances because it's cheaper to pay a low skilled migrant, low productivity, if you want to own a 500 cow farm and not do any of the work because you've a family of poles doing it for you, Immigration in this country is mostly about taking advantage of other human beings/ other countries, our economy is soo fickle because of all this short termism, even abit uncertainty over brexit has made it shat itself.

 

[ollie989898]

You cant tell me 3 million Poles skilled or unskilled have no impact on policing, NHS or education systems.

 

[TripleSix]

My thoughts on it are what about the amount of money that they may be sending home.

Money leaving the country rather than being spent here.

 

[Pilgrimmick]

The thing is 'Immigration' is too broad a term. For instance skilled migration and seasonal migration are generally positive. Unskilled, back of the lorry type migration not so much.

With net migration at 244,000 a year, this does have an effect on house building, everybody needs somewhere to live.

It is generally a short term patch that covers a weak point in the UK economy/infrastructure. In the long term it is bad, as we are not addressing the problem just treating the symptoms.

 

[Bald Rick]

Every country needs migrants. Not only do they bring new ideas (some good, some not so good) but they dilute the gene pool & stop inbreeding.

For better, for worse, we are about to get a new migrant on Saturday (although I find I am washing my hair all day)

 

[ollie989898]

Government policy has been formulated to benefit big business at the expense of us, the average citizens.

 

[Henarar]

Yes it is
The more that leave the better

 

[czechmate]

So the people who should no better keep telling us, sure i agree that a lot of jobs our lot should do but cant be bothered for many reasons, but their is another side to this not often talked about, and i cant understand this? Number one the massive need for house building, surley this is a direct connesquence of immigration? alright if your comming from some s..hole, but what about us locals who see our quality of life being destroyed? Another point on another post they are talking about knotter parts from balers being possibley stolen to order for other countries? i have had personnal experience of a vehicle being targeted by foreign gangs that now roam our countryside with no fear from our keystone kops? I havent even got on to the massive drug problem or the fact more of the prisen population is increasing made up of foreign born?

Is this deliberate irony?

 

[uztrac]

On this forum there is one person who has posted that we are suffering from mass urban unemployment amongst ethnic minorities,and on the other hand we see above that we have a lot of non indigenous labour sending out earnings to their families .The summary is that this little island of ours really has no b****** idea or policy on this matter whatsoever,the usual utter shambles.

 

[Princess Pooper]

Perhaps many legal immigrants can speak and write better English than 'natives'. Perhaps many legal immigrants have either enhanced skills, work ethic or both to succeed in a job more than 'natives'. Perhaps many 'natives' do in fact have immigrant blood somewhere in their history and might now know it. Perhaps without legal immigrants our healthcare system, including personal care workers, our hospitality sector, (bar workers, hotel cleaners etc) our agricultural sector and our food sector would collapse. Perhaps legal immigrants pay tax and NI here so it's then up to them what they do with their money - no different to someone who saves a lot rather than spending it. Perhaps a lot of crime is committed by 'natives' but that doesn't make for good headlines does it?

As someone who eats, uses the NHS rather more than I would like to, has a highly qualified brother who has emigrated to work in Spain, cousins who have taken skilled jobs in Canada, USA, and (in the past, Italy), a French aunt who spent all her working life here and has now retired with her English husband to live in France, perhaps I have a more relaxed attitude to legal migration, because yes I think it is a good thing.

 

[Princess Pooper]

Is this deliberate irony?

I had to really concentrate to understand the post.

 

[czechmate]

I had to really concentrate to understand the post.

I had to really concentrate but still didn't really understand it
This housing thing really does confuse me. If you have money in the bank you have a choice of literally millions of houses to choose from. So there isn't a housing crisis, more a financial crisis.
I wonder if a neighbour here has machinery parts stollen, his first port of call will be to accuse me, as an immigrant?

 

[Princess Pooper]

Thinking more about this. In the last 24 hours I have had a hospital appointment with a rheumatologist who I believe is 'native' but in conversation she worked as a junior doctor in Australia. Her clinic nurse was called Olga who spoke excellent English with an eastern European accent. Last week I had an echo with (I believe, from her accent) a Dutch technician, who was really informative. I dropped off my rheumy prescription at my excellent local pharmacy where I had a cheery welcome and a chat to my Muslim pharmacist - not sure if he is British Asian or he came from afar himself. Our milk was picked up today one of the Polish tanker drivers employed at our dairy. I returned home and stopped to chat through car windows to my Dutch neighbour from 2 houses away and then as I got out of the car I could hear my immediate neighbour calling her dogs in the garden - she's South African by the way and works as a receptionist at the local GP surgery. Her husband also South African, works as a saturation diver. Contributors to the housing crisis include many more youngsters expecting their own home (bought or rented) whereas 25 years ago it was not common to have your own home before you were in your 30's (and probably as a couple). Many more 2 house families, either through relationship breakdown, or the trend for a 'city crash pad' as well as a country house, or having a holiday home as well as a 'main home'. In addition, there are many more 'holiday cottages' and there have been much fewer houses being built.

Edit - I've also just recalled that our vet practice now has qualified vets on the large animal side from Africa (he founded the practice), Venezuela, Spain, Greece and Romania (and possibly Portugal, not sure about that one) and the partners' secretary at our land agents is I think Russian.

 

[spin cycle]

immigration is fine....mass migration isn't IMO

 

[czechmate]

immigration is fine....mass migration isn't IMO

I get the impression some on here would class “mass” as more than 10 though

 

[Grassman]

Perhaps many legal immigrants can speak and write better English than 'natives'. Perhaps many legal immigrants have either enhanced skills, work ethic or both to succeed in a job more than 'natives'. Perhaps many 'natives' do in fact have immigrant blood somewhere in their history and might now know it. Perhaps without legal immigrants our healthcare system, including personal care workers, our hospitality sector, (bar workers, hotel cleaners etc) our agricultural sector and our food sector would collapse. Perhaps legal immigrants pay tax and NI here so it's then up to them what they do with their money - no different to someone who saves a lot rather than spending it. Perhaps a lot of crime is committed by 'natives' but that doesn't make for good headlines does it?

As someone who eats, uses the NHS rather more than I would like to, has a highly qualified brother who has emigrated to work in Spain, cousins who have taken skilled jobs in Canada, USA, and (in the past, Italy), a French aunt who spent all her working life here and has now retired with her English husband to live in France, perhaps I have a more relaxed attitude to legal migration, because yes I think it is a good thing.

Immigration is a good thing in balanced amounts. Some wish to come picking fruit or veg. Some come to do hospitality. Some to the health service.
But the ridiculous imbalance that has existed over the last 10 years or so is unsustainable.
We havn't the infrastructure to cope.

 

[RobFZS]

Immigration is a good thing in balanced amounts. Some wish to come picking fruit or veg. Some come to do hospitality. Some to the health service.
But the ridiculous imbalance that has existed over the last 10 years or so is unsustainable.
We havn't the infrastructure to cope.

Well, we would, if we had a less is more policy, rather than just trying to bump up the amount of middle age tax payers going round the hamster wheel to create a tiny bit more demand in a consumption economy.

Young migrants of the age between 25- 45 is exactly what the government want, they dont need to pay for their education/ training and they will very rarely need to use the nhs for big surgery, anything before or after that and they become a burden on the state like natives are.

Lefty socially liberal people then slate the natives for not being as good as the select few people we've stolen from other countries and wonder why right wing governments all over Europe are getting in power and curbing immigration.

 

[milkloss]

Controlled immigration is a good thing. What we have at the minute isn’t despite how they dress the statistics up.

The immigrants that take the minimum wage jobs are taking opportunities away from our own up and coming youngsters that need work, responsibility and a start on the career ladder.