"Improving Our Lot" - Planned Holistic Grazing, for starters..

How about a diverse crop rather than just turnips for those 3 acres? Sounds like a plan though.
rightly or wrongly I have 15 acres of Italian and annual clovers gone in this week after veg boys decided late they didn’t want it. Down tomorrow to roll in and bring some stuff down. Ground hasn’t been moved much so hopefully the rain is still there from the weekend and we catch some more soon.
I put in a similar mix 'prota plus' last year, hope you have better luck than I did. It struggled to germinate in the cold dry weather and, thanks to my power harrow/roll cultivation strategy, the old stuff came away again. It was a stemmy mess when the lambs went on it to pick out the goodies. The IRG that did take has been a great early bite this spring, though.

I'm right to think that the IRG will fade away after this summer?
 

Samcowman

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I put in a similar mix 'prota plus' last year, hope you have better luck than I did. It struggled to germinate in the cold dry weather and, thanks to my power harrow/roll cultivation strategy, the old stuff came away again. It was a stemmy mess when the lambs went on it to pick out the goodies. The IRG that did take has been a great early bite this spring, though.

I'm right to think that the IRG will fade away after this summer?
That’s the mix I have going in. The field was planned to be going winter wheat in the autumn but it might well go spring barley after an early spring grazing to take advantage of the IRG. Would have thought without the clover there the IRG would be very hungry now.
 
That’s the mix I have going in. The field was planned to be going winter wheat in the autumn but it might well go spring barley after an early spring grazing to take advantage of the IRG. Would have thought without the clover there the IRG would be very hungry now.
We'll, it looks nice and green and it's certainly growing. It was used as a sacrifice field to feed the sheep on winter before last, so got plenty of nutrients on it then.
 

Samcowman

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The rain we bad here (about 5 miles as the crow goes) was nothing spectacular over the weekend. I write my name in the dirt and what we did have has all gone now.

That said, yours probably went in with wet feet so will grow something.

Regards my stubbles idea...what else could I do?

An old neighbour of ours grew a crop that he was adamant yielded a massive amount of stuff back in the 70s/80s and gave me the book on it. Of course I've moved house twice and office 3 times since so I cant find it 🙄
Fingers crossed.
Id have them in there as part of the mix with plants of different families. So have some annual legume as well as some grasses as well for ground cover. Neighbour here a few years ago planted an off the shelf multi species mix from Cotswold seeds. Had all sorts in it and was a lot of feed there.
 

som farmer

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So still no rain in the forecast and we are seriously dry now. No danger of my 10 acres being drilled anytime soon.

So what to do? 🤔

I've thought about planting different things but realistically a lack of moisture will hamper anything not already in the ground.

What I am considering though maybe drilling the herbal mix (7 acres) and put the remaining 3 acres into a winter forage crop - stubbles for instance.

The 3 acres is next to the yard so easy for grazing - leave the gate open and the cattle and can come and go as they please. Lock them in the yard to move the fence, easy peasy.

My thinking is that a late drilling date = late utilisation date. If my season is being pushed back to September/October then why not plant something that I can utilise well in those months and possibly later? So long as it's not poached to hell it's ready for reseeding March time.

Thoughts please
sounds a good plan, rape/turnips gives you the 'breathing space', if the rest is slow getting going.
Dug a trench for a water pipe, right up the top, of our farm, really dry, but moisture 4ins down, will go into maize soon, rapes nearly finished.
 

Henarar

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Just caught up again! Move to our new place end of March, nearly got the dairy ready, we’ve got a small suckler her till we can start milking. These girls we climbing the hedge to get to the bluebells this morning when I moved the fence, self medicating?
could well be, interesting they are going to those lengths to get them
 

crashbox

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Ive decided to take it down fairly tight as there’s a lot of stalk and seed heads already just to give everything that reset and clean up after winter rest.
i have around 30 days in front in cells at current covers but no doubt that will extend further going forwards before I even hit my set stocked hill land which will work in great as they can have a month or so up there while I’m at groundswell and summer holidays to make things easy for the old man. Thats the plan to start with and gets me to middle of July.
Well done, great to have a sensible strategy to give yourself some time off👍
 

crashbox

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So still no rain in the forecast and we are seriously dry now. No danger of my 10 acres being drilled anytime soon.

So what to do? 🤔

I've thought about planting different things but realistically a lack of moisture will hamper anything not already in the ground.

What I am considering though maybe drilling the herbal mix (7 acres) and put the remaining 3 acres into a winter forage crop - stubbles for instance.

The 3 acres is next to the yard so easy for grazing - leave the gate open and the cattle and can come and go as they please. Lock them in the yard to move the fence, easy peasy.

My thinking is that a late drilling date = late utilisation date. If my season is being pushed back to September/October then why not plant something that I can utilise well in those months and possibly later? So long as it's not poached to hell it's ready for reseeding March time.

Thoughts please
I don't know your ground and weather but I wouldn't dream of reseeding now.
Put in a cheap grazable cover (e.g. brassicas at 10 quid an acre). Graze them off, clean up the seed bed, and reseed in autumn when rain guaranteed.
You'll be gutted if the herbal experiment fails due to lack of rainfall/luck, and you have no spray options to rectify heavy weed burden.

(For info I have 10 acres that went into herbals a month ago, looks weedy, I'll try to rectify with mob stocking late summer).
 

crashbox

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Walking several miles a day with fencing sticks and reels taking its toll in the heat... anyone got a good set up to go on the back of a motorbike for holding such paraphernalia?

Seems a good excuse to drag out the old Yamaha...
 

Rossymons

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Walking several miles a day with fencing sticks and reels taking its toll in the heat... anyone got a good set up to go on the back of a motorbike for holding such paraphernalia?

Seems a good excuse to drag out the old Yamaha...

Over the years I've steadily built up a decent amount of fencing stakes. I've got various 50 gallon drums in gateways with spare stakes in. When I'm done in that area I just put the spare stakes in them.

I figured out that about 10 stakes and one reel covered most areas so was happy to carry they around and top up where needed.
 

Samcowman

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Walking several miles a day with fencing sticks and reels taking its toll in the heat... anyone got a good set up to go on the back of a motorbike for holding such paraphernalia?

Seems a good excuse to drag out the old Yamaha...
I’ve seen a homemade one out of a small blue barrel cut in half I think. Bit hazy the memory of this one.
also quite a good one on a dairy farm we have been getting some calves from. Pretty sure it was this.
 

Kiwi Pete

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Walking several miles a day with fencing sticks and reels taking its toll in the heat... anyone got a good set up to go on the back of a motorbike for holding such paraphernalia?

Seems a good excuse to drag out the old Yamaha...
What do you get your DC antibiotics in? I've got a few rectangular "buckets" that I've gathered up, the plan was to mount 2 of them on the rack and cut a scallop out of the sides (where they touch in the middle) to hold fencing gear. Some damn good setups around, I had a look on FB "regenerative grazing group" but couldn't find the post, someone started a thread on exactly this subject and there were some great ideas
 

som farmer

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Walking several miles a day with fencing sticks and reels taking its toll in the heat... anyone got a good set up to go on the back of a motorbike for holding such paraphernalia?

Seems a good excuse to drag out the old Yamaha...
you don't need a bike, l drive while unrolling wire, son walks an does the stakes, dead easy for me ! But l know what you mean, 4 fences to move yesterday.

more to the point, does anyone know, how to kill/drive out, the stake eating animal, that is particularly attracted to our farm ?
 

Rossymons

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I don't know your ground and weather but I wouldn't dream of reseeding now.
Put in a cheap grazable cover (e.g. brassicas at 10 quid an acre). Graze them off, clean up the seed bed, and reseed in autumn when rain guaranteed.
You'll be gutted if the herbal experiment fails due to lack of rainfall/luck, and you have no spray options to rectify heavy weed burden.

(For info I have 10 acres that went into herbals a month ago, looks weedy, I'll try to rectify with mob stocking late summer).

Theres some good thinking in there, I like it.

The herbal leys will about £1000 seed and drilled. Thats a lot of money to me to potentially waste. I'm basically starting from scratch again with nothing and I'd like to keep hold of as much of my nothing as possible!

10 acres of something cheap and cheerful now, posh stuff in the autumn. I always prefer the autumn for a reseed. We can drill a bit later, mild conditions get it really well established ready for the spring and we're off!
 

Kiwi Pete

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So still no rain in the forecast and we are seriously dry now. No danger of my 10 acres being drilled anytime soon.

So what to do? 🤔

I've thought about planting different things but realistically a lack of moisture will hamper anything not already in the ground.

What I am considering though maybe drilling the herbal mix (7 acres) and put the remaining 3 acres into a winter forage crop - stubbles for instance.

The 3 acres is next to the yard so easy for grazing - leave the gate open and the cattle and can come and go as they please. Lock them in the yard to move the fence, easy peasy.

My thinking is that a late drilling date = late utilisation date. If my season is being pushed back to September/October then why not plant something that I can utilise well in those months and possibly later? So long as it's not poached to hell it's ready for reseeding March time.

Thoughts please
Grow warm-season plants (over the warm season).
Cowpeas, sunhemp, buckwheat, sunflowers, red clover, chicory - even put some corn in?

Aim for tall stuff

Big roots and big covers to help get things whirring underneath, then you have a great basis to establish your whatever in the autumn
 

Poorbuthappy

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som farmer

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to expensive, and at peak, we have up to 8 to move
I think they are endemic on farms that rely on electric fencing. Not sure how you eradicate them🤔
its a 'where do they go' that gets me, over the years, never found many working down ground, plenty of horseshoes, but not stakes, nor mowing, nor hedge trimming.
And those 3 should account for most.
on horse shoes, ploughed up an ox shoe, years ago, had to be told what is was, put it 'safe' somewhere, very safe - never seen it since !
 
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