a bit far for me, shameDid anyone go on the FWAG walk this week?
"Improving Our Lot" - Planned Holistic Grazing, for starters..
- Thread starter Kiwi Pete
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Only on Farm for the last 90 days for cattle to be FA. As you say inputs don’t matter. However to supply Waitrose you can’t use Soya.
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- Ardrossan Ayrshire
Whole life assurance in Scotland. No exceptions .
The 90 rule is a bit of a joke really. Animal can be brought up on any shiithole but as long as it spends 90 days on Farm at the end it’s ok!! They should at very minimum move it to 6 months.
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- Owaka, New Zealand
I can assure you my livestock have always been on farms, never to the city or out to sea
I can also say the bulk of their energy came directly from the sun, and that very little fossil fuel was used in their production, about 2 litres per head of cattle; this is possibly going to be a future selling point for red meat - why it isn't already, is anyone's guess, as the environmental argument is secondary only to price in most consumer's decisionmaking process(es).
I can also say the bulk of their energy came directly from the sun, and that very little fossil fuel was used in their production, about 2 litres per head of cattle; this is possibly going to be a future selling point for red meat - why it isn't already, is anyone's guess, as the environmental argument is secondary only to price in most consumer's decisionmaking process(es).
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- NSW, Newstralya
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
I can assure you my livestock have always been on farms, never to the city or out to sea
I can also say the bulk of their energy came directly from the sun, and that very little fossil fuel was used in their production, about 2 litres per head of cattle; this is possibly going to be a future selling point for red meat - why it isn't already, is anyone's guess, as the environmental argument is secondary only to price in most consumer's decisionmaking process(es).
Many are already using the environmental aspect AGAINST red meat consumption & production, as an alternative to the animal welfare argument ( in some forms of production they would be correct ), however, you are right, producers of grass fed / pasture raised protein should really be pushing their environmental credentials
I see this happening here & in Notth America, but are growers in U.K. / EU doing the same & being pro active with social media ?
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- Owaka, New Zealand
Even NZ seems to be lagging in this respect, IMHO the coops dropped some major catches by not marketing product based on 100% grassfed - but the dairy industry now cannot, as they've allowed PKE and grain feeding to increase over the past decade.
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- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
Interesting.
Another book to source
:Trees for the New Zealand Countryside – John and Bunny Mortimer.
- Location
- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
Going back to that NZ Nat Geo article it looks like there is an untapped market in the cities for meat of precise provenance and low environmental impact. Plenty of city folk on city money will happily pay extra for their ecological consciences to be massaged for them
- Location
- Owaka, New Zealand
I could sell mine a fair bit cheaper, in fact I would happily undercut the going rate if it meant I got to connect with a real live consumer who wanted to make "a small difference" to the world they inhabit.Going back to that NZ Nat Geo article it looks like there is an untapped market in the cities for meat of precise provenance and low environmental impact. Plenty of city folk on city money will happily pay extra for their ecological consciences to be massaged for them
Folk like OneSheep don't agree, but for years produce from the southern hemisphere has been marketed as "cheap and consistent" as opposed to "really bloody good, cheaply and sustainably produced, and consistent" which is quite an interesting USP by comparison to the more usual "we'll just lie to ourself" production systems
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- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
It seems to me it's time that New Zealand put as much effort into improving and promoting it's internal food supply system as it does into it's export system
If not then the 90% of urban Kiwis will continue to understand and appreciate their primary producers less and less.
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- Owaka, New Zealand
It's the same issue as yours - vested interests in all the wrong places.It seems to me it's time that New Zealand put as much effort into improving and promoting it's internal food supply system as it does into it's export system
If not then the 90% of urban Kiwis will continue to understand and appreciate their primary producers less and less.
Because of the same "but we can grow more, you know" type of thinking - it's turned the coops slowly but surely towards the corporate model, that of "continued growth" at the expense of effectiveness - because of improper spending
texas pete
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I think the worm will turn regarding using the impact and footprint of the various production systems marketing wise. It will have to and to be fair sentiments are starting to shift. It's only really when the multis/coops, politicians and their paymasters get on board that things generally alter.
In the EU/UK's case while folk can be propped up in business by subs, many see no reason to change, as effective marketing is a lot less important.
The antis just have a head start that's all. It's always easier to highlight negatives of anything than really dig in and be positive about something.
I imagine NZ marketeers will make big gains with this. The UK may start to in about 20 years time.
In the EU/UK's case while folk can be propped up in business by subs, many see no reason to change, as effective marketing is a lot less important.
The antis just have a head start that's all. It's always easier to highlight negatives of anything than really dig in and be positive about something.
I imagine NZ marketeers will make big gains with this. The UK may start to in about 20 years time.
texas pete
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- East Mids
Great little article Roy.
One of my favourite things, planting and tending trees. 2000 natives in the last four years here. Not all paid for with grant money either...
no it bloody well should not be moved to 6 months, its a load of fecking crap and any creep of restrictions should be resisted at all turns, FA is run by the wrong people for the wrong reasons and is no/very little benefit to those that pay for it
not all non FA farms are sh!t hole by a bloody long chalk and with the same plenty of FA farms are IMO anyway
same opinion of organic when you see how SOME of its done all this organic is better for the animals full stop is a total crock of sh!t
I do agree with what your saying but how is the consumer suppose to know where / how their produce is produced ?
I actually think it should be life time assurance or nothing .
- Location
- Owaka, New Zealand
Spot on, there are a lot of things I avoid for that reason exactly
Average, conformist, mainstream, or lumped in with the also-rans... a fate worse than most, IMO
this does make me something of a hypocrite, all the same... I spend my days at work either spreading fertiliser on the local landscape, or carting livestock to their next step in the chain... and in between times I advise on obtaining organic certification and tweaking farm systems for profit
..however I consider my "On Farm Best Practice" to be considerably higher than most places around, whether or not they choose to prostitute themselves for extra money or not is their choice, it is NOT MINE
FA says I should check my stock regularly, but they don't say I can't leave my stock to get reinfected by internal parasites and then put drugs down their neck to keep them growing - FA rules really count for FA when you have a solid understanding of "life"
Maybe but not RT in its current form
And why farmers invite this sort of thing upon themselves I do not know, paying money and costing time just to keep a load of hanging on parasites in a job just beggars belief
All these things when they start can seem like a good idea till they take on a life of their own and take over, dare I say it much the same as the fecking eu
Well not for me, not as long as I can possibly resist it before i am blackmailed it to to it
Anyone is welcome to come and have a look at the animals here though if they want, I just don't intend bloody well paying for it for no benefit to me over the status quo