"Improving Our Lot" - Planned Holistic Grazing, for starters..

Discussion in 'Holistic Farming' started by Kiwi Pete, Apr 21, 2018.

  1. Henarar

    Henarar Member

    Location:
    ZumerZet Somerset
    years ago we would never get all the dung spread here as it was to wet to get to where it was heaped, we would spread what could be got and the heap grow year on year, when we bought the slew and a bigger spreader I spread the lot, it was like spreading soil, I put it on some of the poorer fields that didn't get dung to often and it made it grow like mad
     
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  2. Crofter64

    Crofter64 Member

    Location:
    Eastern Canada
    Yourcomment directed me to Clive’s thread. Thanks Roy.
    Don’t forget’ Rome wasn’t built in a day’.
     
  3. Crofter64

    Crofter64 Member

    Location:
    Eastern Canada
    Have you buried corn here and there? In the Salatin system that is what they are digging for: sprouted kernels.
     
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  4. Kiwi Pete

    Kiwi Pete Member

    Location:
    Owaka, New Zealand
    I've been working towards it for a while, but really only found an easier system a few months ago to get them bunched up a little better, it's made quite a difference without spending a lot of time "doing"
     
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  5. jonnyjon

    jonnyjon Member

    Could you give a thick like me an easy to understand formula to follow re mob grazing? Currently arable and feeding beef in sheds during winter, mostly to produce fym. Thinking of putting a field down to a herbal ley and another down to sainfoin for silage but have more questions than answers. I see this as the quickest way to heal my soils, have no interest in producing food with poisons going forward
     
  6. That's the trouble! We all like an "easy to follow formula" but nature doesn't work that way (I'm learning) :rolleyes:.

    The most basic principles are easy:
    Sward diversity
    Limit access to any one patch to no more than 2 days and leave it afterwards to recover for as long as it needs
    Bunch the stock together tightly enough that they become less-selective in which forage they eat
    Put them in to much longer forage than you are used to
    Only allow them to eat 1/3 of the height
    Let them trample the rest into the soil hence the high stock density

    But, to make it work well you need to closely observe the forage growth and maturity and the soil condition and adapt the management daily in accordance.

    That's the simple version ;)
     
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  7. Tyedyetom

    Tyedyetom Member

    Yes we threw around barley each time we put more straw in so it’s mixed in all over
     
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  8. onesiedale

    onesiedale Member

    Location:
    Derbyshire
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    Errr, is this looking ok HC?
     
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  9. Update on the water skid.

    Good news:
    1. It works!
    2. The trike does move it when full
    3. The cows like it already

    Less good:
    1. The water slops into the mineral trough
    2. It's a bit much for the trike really
    A few small mods needed but overall (y)

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    This is what I've moved them off. Their cell measures at 1700 square metres.
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  10. onesiedale

    onesiedale Member

    Location:
    Derbyshire
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    Just moved these R2s to here. . .
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  11. texas pete

    texas pete Member

    Location:
    East Mids
    Wheels..(with brakes:rolleyes:) and some kind of lid?
     
  12. Some kind of splash cover, certainly but I'm not sure about wheels. In some conditions they would just sink and I don't want them to get in the way. I'll ponder that overnight (as I ususally do my design work then :rolleyes:)
     
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  13. bitwrx

    bitwrx Member

    Glad it works. Had to move the lick bucket for our local shepherd's sheep yesterday (on our land) l. The buggers had trampled the grass to bare earth. Really need to do the same with the trough...

    As for splashing, baffles would work - reduce the extent of any one free surface area.

    Or if it's too heavy as well, just drop the water level... Two birds, one stone. :)
     
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  14. Baffles is a good idea, thanks. (y)
     
  15. Henarar

    Henarar Member

    Location:
    ZumerZet Somerset
    you were baffled as to what to do before you got that suggestion :D:bag:
     
  16. Kevtherev

    Kevtherev Member

    Location:
    Welshpool Powys
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    My little project
    Grow some holy hay @Kiwi Pete
     
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  17. Moved them about 6 hours ago. This clearly shows the impact effect of moving the water trough.

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  18. Kiwi Pete

    Kiwi Pete Member

    Location:
    Owaka, New Zealand
    This is pretty much spot on.

    As always, it depends to an extent "what you want to do" - that's the point of establishing your "holistic context", as then you can tune everything that you do as to how it aligns with your goal, from the big decisions right down to the little details.

    My context is different to yours, to Sam or Steve or anyone - so the decisionmaking will be slightly different.
    Here I want to really improve my ability to soak water in, and so I leave as much cover as I can afford to, think "conservation" rather than "utilisation".
    This has several spinoffs for livestock, ie they aren't eating every last worm larvae as they attempt to feed themself, longer stalkier rough grass in the sward helps maintain a good level of spiders to predate worm larvae, control flies etc

    So if you want less poisons, these can be considerations.
     
  19. Inky

    Inky Member

    Location:
    Essex / G.London
    How do you work out an ideal stocking rate / feed amount to smoosh in? I have a 700sqm outside concrete area that I've thought about using after the cattle go out but the closest I've got to a pig is on the frying pan.
     
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  20. Kiwi Pete

    Kiwi Pete Member

    Location:
    Owaka, New Zealand
    I worked on 4 pigs with an average weight of about 40 kg, that they'd want fed a similar amount to any other animal.
    And 16 bales fit on a truck so that was what I used :LOL: not very scientific but science doesn't get you everywhere
     
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