"Improving Our Lot" - Planned Holistic Grazing, for starters..

Discussion in 'Holistic Farming' started by Kiwi Pete, Apr 21, 2018.

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  2. Fenwick

    Fenwick Member

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    Bretagne France
    Hi @BobTheSmallholder , I didn't mean to touch a nerve. I also didn't want to turn into this thread into handbags at dawn which so often happen's on online forums including this one. We can always discus further on PM.

    My opinion was/is simply that their 'regenerative farm' is dependent on non-regenerative, and unsustainable ag. and that is why I found the title of their book misleading. I appreciate you have strong opinions on this too. To which you are of course absolutely entitled.(y)

    I still think they are doing some wonderful things over there at Ridgedale, and have been following their progress through YouTube since the beginning.


    Back on topic, does anyone have experience grazing comfrey? We have some pretty deep covers with a large swathes of it this year. I remember hearing something about possible liver toxicity. IMG_20190620_113730_5[1].jpg
    it produces incredible amounts of biomass. (About 4ft high in the photo).
     
  3. BobTheSmallholder

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    Sorry I didn't mean to get into a big argument about it either, was only on my 2nd coffee of the day!

    In short my replies can be summarised as they fully admit they can do things better but they are trying to teach many different enterprises in a small space and can't do everything perfectly. They do give it a bloody good go though.
     
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  4. Kiwi Pete

    Kiwi Pete Member

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    Owaka, New Zealand
    My ones will (y) lift it aloft for 10 mins then drop.
     
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  5. Kiwi Pete

    Kiwi Pete Member

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    Owaka, New Zealand
    Very simple and very effective. I can see me making one for each mob .
     
  6. beardface

    beardface Member

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    East Yorkshire
    Did you scroll through there fb page? Very interesting blokes. If you did you'll see a vid lower down show them having some aluminium pulleys made up as after a couple of years there plastic ones wore out/knotted up. Just a thought for you.
     
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  7. Karliboy

    Karliboy Member

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    How do you go on for cattle wanting to roll it over? I fear if I had one it wouldn’t last 5 mins before it would be upside down. I really need to decide what I’m going to do for water when I get back to the pizza fields next week.
    I quiet fancy a kiwi micro drinker but again I think cattle would tip it over and trash it.
    I’ll take a good look at them at groundswell this week.
     
  8. onesiedale

    onesiedale Member

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    Derbyshire
    these were my concerns, however neither the micro drinker or the portable have been an issue.
    The micro drinker looked after 80 yearling heifers through the spring, better than I was promised. Now the weather has warmed up, these yearlings are now drinking more so I've switched to a portable 100 litre. The calves (this spring born have been running with 1 micro drinker for 120 of them. Again, it's exceeded my expectations.
    Once the cattle knew that they could only drink one at a time, then it seemed better regulated.
    I even had one of the micro troughs for a group of 50 dry cows this spring! (y)
     
  9. onesiedale

    onesiedale Member

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    Derbyshire
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    Having said all that, I have now put a bigger trough in for the babies, I'll be happier with this during the coming heatwave that is forecast whilst I'm down at Groundswell:cool:
    What I really like about these troughs is the secure valve arrangement, where the default is shut off, therefore no overflowing. :)
     
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  10. Karliboy

    Karliboy Member

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    West Yorkshire

    Dito to the above, I’m going watching moving the mob right before this in the field.
     
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  11. Samcowman

    Samcowman Member

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    Finally did my grazing plan tonight as needed to get my head around how to get the boys in the right place for TB testing. I feel so much better having it all down in front of me and it didn’t take long.
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  12. Kiwi Pete

    Kiwi Pete Member

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    Owaka, New Zealand
    It's amazing the difference when you know where you're going, eh? (y)
     
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  13. Samcowman

    Samcowman Member

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    Wiltshire
    Just being able to see it in front of me and seeing there is a plan and the rest times rather than trying to remembering it and flicking through my diary. Just have to go back through and fill it out from the start now.
    Still don’t know what I’m doing though.
     
  14. Karliboy

    Karliboy Member

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    West Yorkshire
    Finished cell grazing a banking on Saturday cows now have 2 long and 2 short legs E75D2F9B-3DDD-423F-AD7B-22D3777748AC.jpeg
    called/shouted/balled them back down of the hill tonight 57DF7B68-6273-4500-B0C3-D95391F13E8C.jpeg and stuck them in a mowing meadow to clean up 4EA540C3-906F-41EB-80A0-B581C6665242.jpeg 861EF5B4-5F44-4F2E-B97B-A839D5F1B07F.jpeg Ideally I wouldn’t have done this for another couple off weeks but needs must as off to groundswell tomorrow and want it easy for pops while I’m away.
    I’ve probably got about 30 days meadow and cell grazing to go at now so that should give the hill a good rest hopefully. Maybe more depending on regrowth as I cycle around fields
    I’ve a funny feeling I’m gonna need to buy some more wire before long and some water infrastructure.
    And my other issue is do I put any fert on mowing land at a reduced rate again?. I did 50% for first cut and had a excellent crop all the same.
     
  15. Kiwi Pete

    Kiwi Pete Member

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    Owaka, New Zealand
    I found it really difficult, until I began with where I'd been.
    I filled out a whole chart of 'history' first just to see what I'd been doing, and that gave me a bit of a pattern to base the planned grazing chart from.
     
  16. see you all (whoevers going) at groundswell - ill be in the tentipi......
    made up a pizza field for the intern and left him with water and shade instructions if it does go barmy.
     
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  17. Poorbuthappy

    Poorbuthappy Member

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    Devon
    So are we livestock peeps going to have a red meet up?
     
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  18. Sheep have a natural grazing/ moving system through of their own. Going against that in a micro managinv sort of way will make the shepherd work.

    Electric fencing in the dry and with that brilliant insulator wool thd challengs is there.

    I farm sheep plus other things as they dont make enough money in comparison.... i want freedom to do othefpr things (y) that helps me sustain the flock long term not just novelty and fashion and fad.

    No by pishing around moving them or crappy electric fences every 5 mins :ROFLMAO:

    Mind you we do have relativly small field size on a World scale ... not sure a bout China though come to think of it :unsure:
     
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  19. Kiwi Pete

    Kiwi Pete Member

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    Owaka, New Zealand
    Sheep work best in a bigger mob, have always meant to quiz you up on what you do?
    I'm just trying to count how many paddocks Blair Bros. had on their 700 acres and I think it was about 17 main ones.
    Water was whatever was "on the landscape" ie no reticulated water at all, but a good network of dams and creeks

    so it wasn't all about daily shifts either, but it was still incredibly effective because it ran by itself. Much of the year they could both be away doing whatever and life on the ranch would carry on.

    It really taught me a few things about "sustainability" because they were still doing the same and still making a good go of things in their 70's, although they did switch to round bales over the Big Howard jobs (y)

    So, what can you tell us about your "lot"?

    :)
     
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  20. Poorbuthappy

    Poorbuthappy Member

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    Devon
    Watched this the other day.
    Quite a bit on protection dogs and wolves which though interesting is not particularly relevant to most of us, but some other interesting more relevant stuff.
    Good to listen to someone doing the holistic thing with sheep.
    Also interesting that it was the answer to some of her parasite issues.
     

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