Insecure load !!!!

[Netherfield]

I'm driving a transit van load of turkeys down to the butchers shop in town, gone through some temporary traffic lights on green, at the other end is a police car who flags me down and tells me I'd gone through at red.
Asks me to get out and join him in car, I refused and said I would not leave what was in the back of the van, I said he could get in the passenger side if he wanted, he started getting a bit like I'll arrest you if you don't get in my car, I was only 17 at the time but i stood my ground, then dad who was following on a little way behind arrived on scene.
He laced in to this copper good and proper, asked him how he could see round a bend in the road a traffic light that was facing away from him, obviously he couldn't answer that.
Dad then turns to me 'you get on your way while I sort this out'.

 

[Jsmith2211]

I was bumbling along very early one morning in the mist when I came across an old boy in a JD pulling some silage bales with no straps on, no lights/reg plate no marker board and a trailer that looked to have expired past it's useful life in around 1970. Would you believe it, I did not film it or photograph it or put it on the tillypass twitter account, I merely overtook the guy and continued on my way.

So your average livestock farmer with his most modern tractor and trailer then

 

[betweenthelines]

Trouble is you would argue black is white that is not a load of grain within the sides is it, you are simply wrong but you won’t have it so no point arguing with you

"Secure" doesn't mean it has to be tied/strapped/chained down, it means it will not move off the vehicle "in normal circumstances". Virtually nothing is "secure" in abnormal circumstances such as a vehicle tipping over.

I work in the transport industry, have read the rules (which are not Statutory Instruments) just Highway code type guidelines and I suspect I have a better understanding than your average Police Officer

 

[Tarw Coch]

"Secure" doesn't mean it has to be tied/strapped/chained down, it means it will not move off the vehicle "in normal circumstances". Virtually nothing is "secure" in abnormal circumstances such as a vehicle tipping over.

I work in the transport industry, have read the rules (which are not Statutory Instruments) just Highway code type guidelines and I suspect I have a better understanding than your average Police Officer

Most years I make some late cut round bale silage, some of it at some land a few hundred yards up the road. To fetch then home I put a layer two wide on the bottom of the trailer with a single binder layer on top, nowt unusual in that , I see plenty of others doing likewise and in all the years I have done it I’ve never seen a bale move nor ever thought there was the remotest chance of one falling off in any sort of normal circumstances.
Looking at these police posts on Facebook I very much get the impression that if they were to catch up with me doing this they would be charging me with insecure load.

Would be interested to hear your thoughts on wether or not you would consider that an insecure load.

 

[Alchad]

Slightly away from farming, but this popped up on my Facebook feed. Apparently they're components for a bridge - just looking at the section chained to the low loader and it doesn't seem right, but you'd think they know what theyre doing?

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[roscoe erf]

Most years I make some late cut round bale silage, some of it at some land a few hundred yards up the road. To fetch then home I put a layer two wide on the bottom of the trailer with a single binder layer on top, nowt unusual in that , I see plenty of others doing likewise and in all the years I have done it I’ve never seen a bale move nor ever thought there was the remotest chance of one falling off in any sort of normal circumstances.
Looking at these police posts on Facebook I very much get the impression that if they were to catch up with me doing this they would be charging me with insecure load.

Would be interested to hear your thoughts on wether or not you would consider that an insecure load.

yes i'm afraid it is insecure as gravity is not an approved load restraint you need to restrain 100% of the weight going forwards 50%back and to the sides in normal road going circumstances many ways to restrain a load not always with straps but gravity has never been one, and it has be ever thus for the last 35 years i've known its just lately that they have lowered the sights on agriculture but you've never been exempt from the traffic rules

 

[Andrew]

Most years I make some late cut round bale silage, some of it at some land a few hundred yards up the road. To fetch then home I put a layer two wide on the bottom of the trailer with a single binder layer on top, nowt unusual in that , I see plenty of others doing likewise and in all the years I have done it I’ve never seen a bale move nor ever thought there was the remotest chance of one falling off in any sort of normal circumstances.
Looking at these police posts on Facebook I very much get the impression that if they were to catch up with me doing this they would be charging me with insecure load.

Would be interested to hear your thoughts on wether or not you would consider that an insecure load.

Definitely classed as insecure under the guidance notes, sorry.

 

[roscoe erf]

£100 fine for not strapping down wheel barrow

 

[ollie989898]

£100 fine for not strapping down wheel barrow

I'm confused?

 

[76masseyman]

That’s a shame ! Both my wheelbarrows have been picked up off the road, one of them was just lifted out the back of a small truck by meeting a bigger truck.

 

[7610 super q]

Sand wasn't strapped down either.

 

[Nearly]

Looks through ebay for cargo net.

We've got wheel barrows, sack carts and alloy ladders here that have appeared on the hard shoulder of the A19.

 

[roscoe erf]

I'm confused?

WONT BE THE FIRST. TIME

 

[Netherfield]

1,000 metres of telephone wire, the old grey 2 core stuff, and a 100 metres of blue pull through rope found it's way in to a loader bucket, on the pavement on Meltham Road, just before the David Brown Factory.

950 metres will likely still be behind a shed, although the drum will have rotted away by now.

 

[Andrew]

I'm confused?

It’s all here:

Securing loads on HGVs and goods vehicles

How to make sure goods and other items are loaded, secured and unloaded safely from HGVs, trailers, vans and cars.

www.gov.uk

Loads above the height of the sides​

Loads stacked above the height of the sides of the vehicles need to be secured to the vehicle by other means - usually by over-the-top lashings.

7.8 Equipment carried on vehicles​

Equipment carried on vehicles (like Hiabs, fork lift trucks and pallet pump trucks) should be properly secured when not in use.

 

[Tarw Coch]

"Secure" doesn't mean it has to be tied/strapped/chained down, it means it will not move off the vehicle "in normal circumstances". Virtually nothing is "secure" in abnormal circumstances such as a vehicle tipping over.

I work in the transport industry, have read the rules (which are not Statutory Instruments) just Highway code type guidelines and I suspect I have a better understanding than your average Police Officer

Most years I make some late cut round bale silage, some of it at some land a few hundred yards up the road. To fetch then home I put a layer two wide on the bottom of the trailer with a single binder layer on top, nowt unusual in that , I see plenty of others doing likewise and in all the years I have done it I’ve never seen a bale move nor ever thought there was the remotest chance of one falling off in any sort of normal circumstances.
Looking at these police posts on Facebook I very much get the impression that if they were to catch up with me doing this they would be charging me with insecure load.

Would be interested to hear your thoughts on wether or not you would consider that an insecure load.

yes i'm afraid it is insecure as gravity is not an approved load restraint you need to restrain 100% of the weight going forwards 50%back and to the sides in normal road going circumstances many ways to restrain a load not always with straps but gravity has never been one, and it has be ever thus for the last 35 years i've known its just lately that they have lowered the sights on agriculture but you've never been exempt from the traffic rules

Definitely classed as insecure under the guidance notes, sorry.

I certainly don’t claim to have any in depth knowledge of the rules but the first post I quoted seems to be in contrast to the last two posts I quoted in relation to the scenario I mentioned in the second post quoted.

For what it’s worth my understanding of the rules were that if a load isn’t secured it is then by default deemed to be insecure but as I say, I’m no expert.

As for the shifting of the round bales as mentioned above, I have never lost any bales transporting them in that manner, probably many thousands by now in my lifetime and have never heard of anyone else losing them when transported like that either………….not that I expect that experience to have any bearing on the interpretation of the law by the police

 

[tractorsandcows]

£100 fine for not strapping down wheel barrow

Another of these situations where obviously all murders rapes assaults and thefts in this police division have been solved and the police now have time to deal with the heinous offence of wheelbarrow crime

 

[Tarw Coch]

£100 fine for not strapping down wheel barrow

Looks strapped down to me

 

[roscoe erf]

Looks strapped down to me

only after it was stopped

 

[quattro]

apparently 1500 of our finest boys in blue are accused of violence against women in the last six months
they obviously don’t have a lot of time for real crimes