Interest in electric cars slumps by 2/3 rds

[Highland Mule]

Yes, majority of home have antiquated electrical wiring. Many are dangerous and not tested

You don’t need to do a “total rewire” to add a line from the fuse board to a charger. You might need to change the board but that doesn’t mean changing out the lighting circuits in the west wing.

 

[Sid]

You don’t need to do a “total rewire” to add a line from the fuse board to a charger. You might need to change the board but that doesn’t mean changing out the lighting circuits in the west wing.

Electric car chargers unsuitable for almost half of all UK houses

Nearly half of all UK homes are unsuitable for electric car charging points, which may have a dramatic impact on the uptake of cleaner vehicles.

www.express.co.uk

 

[Sid]

so it's a non starter then as primary vehicle for an awful lot of people? Great for a second car, granted.

You need two cars then, a wash and a wear. So therefore doubling the capital tied up . Ridiculous

 

[Magnus Oyke]

You don’t need to do a “total rewire” to add a line from the fuse board to a charger. You might need to change the board but that doesn’t mean changing out the lighting circuits in the west wing.

What happens when you've not got your own drive?

 

[Highland Mule]

What a fascinating non sequitur.

 

[Highland Mule]

What happens when you've not got your own drive?

They’re building them into streetlights and the likes now. And outside flats etc too.

But yes, it’s not ideal.

 

[Magnus Oyke]

They’re building them into streetlights and the likes now. And outside flats etc too.

But yes, it’s not ideal.

I've had my car vandalised 3 times parked in the street, having it plugged in and some urchin unplugging the barsteward when I need a full charge isn't going to be a good start to the day

 

[Highland Mule]

I've had my car vandalised 3 times parked in the street, having it plugged in and some urchin unplugging the barsteward when I need a full charge isn't going to be a good start to the day

You need to move house if that’s the sort of thing happening. At least an EV doesn’t have precious metal in a nice removable format slung off the underneath on rubber mounts.

 

[chickens and wheat]

charge plug locks into car, not vandal proof but stops any passer by unpluging it. If a vandal wants to chop into my 22kw lead good luck to him, Id hope he didnt dent my car when he collapsed

 

[Magnus Oyke]

You need to move house if that’s the sort of thing happening. At least an EV doesn’t have precious metal in a nice removable format slung off the underneath on rubber mounts.

So everyone with on street parking has got to move house when they get an electric car, where are they all going to move to?

 

[Highland Mule]

So everyone with on street parking has got to move house when they get an electric car, where are they all going to move to?

Read again what I wrote. I was wishing you well and to live in a less dodgy area for vandalism.

 

[Magnus Oyke]

Read again what I wrote. I was wishing you well and to live in a less dodgy area for vandalism.

I have a drive. My car is sat on there now, but not everyone does.

 

[Dave645]

People are going to be in for a shock when the taxation rates on EV's equalise with ICE cars. It may be on weight, as the Citroen MD suggested, or it could be on road pricing, as the EV seems to be an easy place to install lots of tracking software

I think you may find they don't equalise, I think more likely you will see them both increase, equally.
mileage charges, city centre charges, would seem one of only a few ways to tax EV's you cannot do it with electric (fuel) as people can home solar charge and avoid it, so mileage seems. at least one of the best options, the most likely result will be its applied to all cars. its fair as the charge is based on use.

I do see EV's getting road tax charges, but I also see that its across the board make EV's £100/year then all cars go up by £100/year on top of what they currently pay.
they have a need to encourage EV adoption that will not go away even after the ban comes in to force 2030, even then they want to still encourage those hanging on to older ice cars to drop them, so EV running cost advantages will likely be maintained.

I do agree at some point EV's will be taxed in some way, I just don't think some level of parity on the tax level will arrive between ice and EV's.
the government strategy has always been to tax off the road, the most polluting vehicles, this will stay true.

 

[Magnus Oyke]

I think you may find they don't equalise, I think more likely you will see them both increase, equally.
mileage charges, city centre charges, would seem one of only a few ways to tax EV's you cannot do it with electric (fuel) as people can home solar charge and avoid it, so mileage seems. at least one of the best options, the most likely result will be its applied to all cars. its fair as the charge is based on use.

I do see EV's getting road tax charges, but I also see that its across the board make EV's £100/year then all cars go up by £100/year on top of what they currently pay.
they have a need to encourage EV adoption that will not go away even after the ban comes in to force 2030, even then they want to still encourage those hanging on to older ice cars to drop them, so EV running cost advantages will likely be maintained.

I do agree at some point EV's will be taxed in some way, I just don't think some level of parity on the tax level will arrive between ice and EV's.
the government strategy has always been to tax off the road, the most polluting vehicles, this will stay true.

so where will the lost revenue come from?

 

[Dave645]

How long is it going to take me to put in 300 miles of range into an electric car. Currently takes a couple of minutes.

7kwh home charger with a good EV 8.5hrs from flat to 100%
but the actual question is how many miles do you dive a day, or week?

if you do drive 300 miles per day then one charge while at home to get the battery to 90% and one 10-15 min fast charge, at any stop where you can have a meal, and charge or work and charge. to add the range you need to get home with a nice buffer.

if you fill up once a week with a 600 mile range ice car, you will home charge 3 times a week at home while you sleep.

home charge time is about 1 min, 30 sec to plug it in, 30 sec to unplug in the morning before you drive away.

 

[Lincsman]

But EV is top of the sales chart?

Because I found most full blooded diesels are sold out, never to be seen again, unless you buy a pickup.

 

[Magnus Oyke]

7kwh home charger with a good EV 8.5hrs from flat to 100%
but the actual question is how many miles do you dive a day, or week?

if you do drive 300 miles per day then one charge while at home to get the battery to 90% and one 10-15 min fast charge, at any stop where you can have a meal, and charge or work and charge. to add the range you need to get home with a nice buffer.

if you fill up once a week with a 600 mile range ice car, you will home charge 3 times a week at home while you sleep.

home charge time is about 1 min, 30 sec to plug it in, 30 sec to unplug in the morning before you drive away.

If you divide my annual mileage by 365, apart from asking why I even need a car, you'd say an electric car would meet my needs, and for the most part it would. Most of my trips are local and around town, so an EV would be pretty much perfect. But... it's a 400 mile round trip to my family, mum and dad have no charging facility and I might want/need to get there and back in a day. I've done well over 1,000 miles on holiday road trips in a week, more on the bike, which was a challenge... It's not the average demand, it's the peak demand, and currently, and electric car just can't do the occasional peak demand without considerable planning and frankly, ball ache. As I've said up thread, they need a realistic 600 mile range if it's going to take all night to put 300 miles in, but that's going to come at a huge cost a weight penalty

 

[Dave645]

so where will the lost revenue come from?

from all cars including EV's and ICE.
they increase tax revenue equally on everyone while maintaining pressure on those holding on to ice cars.

road tax on ev's is free

they may make ev's £200/year, but an ice car that was £210 jumps to £410 . and the same all the way up the scales. if they make ev's £600/ year that £210 ice car jumps to £810 etc etc up the scales. until they balance the tax books.


and or they could add mileage taxes, and city centre taxes.
again these may well target ice harder than ev on a sliding scale. even if they don't, the tax they aim to make will be set to replace any tax reductions for other forms of fuel or car tax.

when we get to 95% EV, then what ever they need in tax revenue will be applied to EV's but any remaining ice cars will still pay more. at no point will they want people to believe its better to stick to ice cars, because the tax is the same.

your hope for equalization will be very very unlikely.

 

[Highland Mule]

But... it's a 400 mile round trip to my family, mum and dad have no charging facility and I might want/need to get there and back in a day.

I can’t see that being a problem, to be honest. 200 miles there is easy, a quick 15 minutes for a top up on the way back would get you home no bother too. There’s very few parts of the country where you’re not heading past a charger at some point. Although I do understand your hesitancy.

 

[Magnus Oyke]

from all cars including EV's and ICE.
they increase tax revenue equally on everyone while maintaining pressure on those holding on to ice cars.

road tax on ev's is free
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they may make ev's £200/year, but an ice car that was £210 jumps to £410 . and the same all the way up the scales. if they make ev's £600/ year that £210 ice car jumps to £810 etc etc up the scales. until they balance the tax books.


and or they could add mileage taxes, and city centre taxes.
again these may well target ice harder than ev on a sliding scale. even if they don't, the tax they aim to make will be set to replace any tax reductions for other forms of fuel or car tax.

when we get to 95% EV, then what ever they need in tax revenue will be applied to EV's but any remaining ice cars will still pay more. at no point will they want people to believe its better to stick to ice cars, because the tax is the same.

your hope for equalization will be very very unlikely.

That's RFL, what about the loss in fuel duty. RFL is pee in terms of running the car compared to fuel tax