Interest in electric cars slumps by 2/3 rds

[D14]

Yesterday on bbc world news they were saying that if 1 in 3 cars was elec by 2030 we will have had to build 400,000 chargers at a cost of £30 billion. It’s just not going to happen unless elec cars are taxed the same as ice cars. Maybe by 2050.

 

[Highland Mule]

How many KW/hrs can most peoples domestic electricty supply manage, and how much would be left to fill their car up after the rest of the house has been supplied?

I think it’s safe to say from the way you’re mixing units that you don’t understand these things - is that fair? kWh is stored energy, kW is supply rate and the two are very different. KW/hrs is a meaningless collection of letters.

There’s no problem with supply for a car for all but the most extreme of houses in this country so if you can boil a kettle when the oven is on, I wouldn’t worry.

 

[Bongodog]

How long is it going to take me to put in 300 miles of range into an electric car. Currently takes a couple of minutes.

Saying it takes 2 minutes to fuel your car is like saying it only takes a F1 car 2.2 seconds to change the tyres, you do have to slow down enter the filling station, get out of the vehicle and pay for the fuel.

 

[Highland Mule]

Saying it takes 2 minutes to fuel your car is like saying it only takes a F1 car 2.2 seconds to change the tyres, you do have to slow down enter the filling station, get out of the vehicle and pay for the fuel.

Takes me about half an hour to fill my diesel car. Nearest pump is 10 miles away and the wrong way for most journeys I take.

 

[Magnus Oyke]

I think it’s safe to say from the way you’re mixing units that you don’t understand these things - is that fair? kWh is stored energy, kW is supply rate and the two are very different.

There’s no problem with supply for a car for all but the most extreme of houses in this country so if you can boil a kettle when the oven is on, I wouldn’t worry.

I may well be mixing my electrical units up, but the domestic electrical supply has a finite amount of capacity, so how much can it supply? I'd be surprised if a high mileage driver is able to refuel from home over night

 

[Sid]

my god you talk some shite !

what did he plug the mini into ? his iphone charger ?


do you even understand what a kwh is ?

From a reputable car magazine, lives in a terraced house like so many people do.

It's the actual reality of EV ownership. Which those in ivory towers don't get with their blinkered views

 

[Red Fred]

My parents live about 200 miles away. They're not in their first flush of youth. Right now, no matter how much fuel is in my car, I can jump in and go, drive up there and drive back again in the same day and have done it several times. My motorbike has a range of circa 170 miles and I could get there and back in a day on that (I've been way further in a day), but she's no over comfy.

There's nowhere to charge a car at mum and dad's, so which electric cars can do that and how much do they cost? My car was £9000 9 years ago, does 445-50mpg on unleaded and nothing has ever gonme wrong with it.

There's no journey planning with mine other than the route, no worrying about refueling or charge points, wallet, keys, go.

I had to make an emergency run to Nottingham the other day to assist my 96 year old auntie at her bungalow in an urban cul-de-sac. As it was, I hopped in my Skoda, drove there and back without giving it a thought, but I'm not sure how this would work if I drove an ev? I presumably would have had to park somewhere with a charger and travel through the suburbs by foot, taxi or bus to auntie's house, or else turn the journey into a planned expedition. We have a petrol station right opposite the farm so filling up here really is a few minutes' work but I guess everyones' circumstances are different.

 

[Clive]

From a reputable car magazine, lives in a terraced house like so many people do.

It's the actual reality of EV ownership. Which those in ivory towers don't get with their blinkered views

sid its not reality - i have driven 50k miles of reality and the idea of it ever taking 5hrs to charge 144 miles when away from home dc changing is beyond ridiculous

you are making yourself look very silly - you have zero experience of run running a EV yet are telling those than have them how they work

 

[Highland Mule]

I may well be mixing my electrical units up, but the domestic electrical supply has a finite amount of capacity, so how much can it supply? I'd be surprised if a high mileage driver is able to refuel from home over night

Nowhere near capacity, I’m afraid. A typical battery is ~80kWh and a domestic charger would be ~7kW. That’s maybe 11 hours in extreme circumstances and likely far less.

 

[Sid]

How many KW/hrs can most peoples domestic electricty supply manage, and how much would be left to fill their car up after the rest of the house has been supplied?

Many houses would need a TOTAL rewire to install a car charger.

Majority of multi story car parks need strengthening to facilitate being fully used by EV's

 

[Highland Mule]

I had to make an emergency run the Nottingham the other day to assist my 96 year old auntie at her bungalow in an urban cul-de-sac. As it was, I hopped in my Skoda, drove there and back without giving it a thought, but I'm not sure how this would work if I drove an ev? I presumably would have had to park somewhere with a charger and travel through the suburbs by foot, taxi or bus to auntie's house, or else turn the journey into a planned expedition. We have a petrol station right opposite the farm so filling up here really is a few minutes' work but I guess everyones' circumstances are different.

You’d probably do a quick (10 minute) “splash and dash” on the route somewhere convenient. It would cost more than charging at home but still less than your Skoda costs in diesel.

 

[Sid]

sid its not reality - i have driven 50k miles of reality and the idea of it ever taking 5hrs to charge 144 miles when away from home is beyond ridiculous

You calling him a liar then.

Living with a Mini Electric for six months was fun, and I became fond of the car. The main drawback was my lack of home-charging capability. I live in a middle terrace without parking outside my house, and no way of fitting a wallbox. To charge the car, I needed to negotiate times with my neighbours that I could block their path and snake a lead through the kitchen window or letterbox into my kitchen or hallway. Charging through a three-pin plug is a process that takes more or less a full working day. Less of an issue while working from home in lockdown but a tricky hurdle otherwise. As a result, I would often avoid driving the car the day before a big trip to ensure I could start my journey on 100% battery, and that impacted my day-to-day life. On big motorway journeys, the car’s relatively low range meant I would need to plan ahead to use public charge points

 

[Magnus Oyke]

Nowhere near capacity, I’m afraid. A typical battery is ~80kWh and a domestic charger would be ~7kW. That’s maybe 11 hours in extreme circumstances and likely far less.

so it's a non starter then as primary vehicle for an awful lot of people? Great for a second car, granted.

 

[Highland Mule]

Many houses would need a TOTAL rewire to install a car charger.

Really, just really?

 

[Sid]

Takes me about half an hour to fill my diesel car. Nearest pump is 10 miles away and the wrong way for most journeys I take.

Is there only 1 fuel station ? You've gone to the expense of a home charger for ev but not a fuel tank for ice.
Not really comparing like with like then is it.

 

[Highland Mule]

so it's a non starter then as primary vehicle for an awful lot of people? Great for a second car, granted.

There’s very few people that do multi hundred miles of personal driving per day, and even fewer of them who don’t get a decent night’s sleep as well. Anyone doing it for work would likely be breaking the law too.

So, no - I disagree with your conclusions.

 

[Magnus Oyke]

You’d probably do a quick (10 minute) “splash and dash” on the route somewhere convenient. It would cost more than charging at home but still less than your Skoda costs in diesel.

When you put a similar level of duty on electricty and then VAT on the top of both the electricty and the duty, it will level the playing field, somewhat.

I've gone full cirlce on this subject, from now way, to this looks like it might work for me, back to stick it up your arse.

 

[Sid]

Really, just really?

Yes, majority of home have antiquated electrical wiring. Many are dangerous and not tested

 

[Highland Mule]

Is there only 1 fuel station ? You've gone to the expense of a home charger for ev but not a fuel tank for ice.
Not really comparing like with like then is it.

I don’t have an EV and I don’t have a domestic fuel tank for my personal transport. But yes, I live in a rural area on the hinterland of a town, but of which most times I am heading away from.

 

[Magnus Oyke]

There’s very few people that do multi hundred miles of personal driving per day, and even fewer of them who don’t get a decent night’s sleep as well. Anyone doing it for work would likely be breaking the law too.

So, no - I disagree with your conclusions.

There's plenty of people doing 50,000 miles a year and mini cabs may well be running 20 hours a day. Whether it's personal milegae or for business, the cars till has to be fueled and it's an impractical proposition when it takes longer to refuel than it spends being used.