Intervention is back!!

[HolzKopf]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/no-deal-brexit-500m-plan-to-help-farmers-bx5pnx9qq

Just like the old days, lamb mountains, beef mountains, butter mountains - and a land of milk and honey lake

 

[vantage]

£500m pounds isn’t a lot .
We’re net importers of dairy so no lake.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

Half a billion is a drop in the ocean compared to our exported produce.

What would physically happen to the government bought food?

Used to feed hospital, schools and the military?

Or put into freezer storage at further great expense to the taxpayer?

 

[7610 super q]

So long as we're all making a living, does it really matter ?

 

[neilo]

Unlike the old intervention schemes, I suspect any emergency buy up scheme will be at a price below where it’s profitable to produce , avoiding any mountains.

 

[lloyd]

What a disaster for UK farming.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

So long as we're all making a living, does it really matter ?

An interesting ethical conundrum.

Does it matter if my grade 1 land is growing maize for AD,

Does it matter if my lambs are bought by a man called Mohammed?

Does it matter if the only market for the food I produce is the government?

 

[7610 super q]

An interesting ethical conundrum.

Does it matter if my grade 1 land is growing maize for AD,

Does it matter if my lambs are bought by a man called Mohammed?

Does it matter if the only market for the food I produce is the government?

Our most " profitable " time during the 40 year CAP palaver was during the early years with intervention. It would have been nice if farm produce prices had risen over the years in line with inflation, but they didn't. If the price of food trebled in Tesco's now, then there really would be civil unrest. We are stuck in this rut , I'm just thinking of the best way to cling on to a reasonable living, given the circumstances. Trying to make the best of a very bad job.
And TBH, I never really saw the problem with aircraft hangers full of wheat. Better to have too much food, than not enough ?
For 20 years I've been hearing food shortages will push the price of food up. Hasn't happened yet.

 

[Henarar]

I can't read it all cos I don't subscribe but I its meant as a temporary thing till something is sorted with the eu then is it a bad thing ?
after all its not our fault the eu is going to make its people pay more for their food

 

[Werzle]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/no-deal-brexit-500m-plan-to-help-farmers-bx5pnx9qq

Just like the old days, lamb mountains, beef mountains, butter mountains - and a land of milk and honey lake

Why doesnt the government just pay the tariffs for a short while instead of buying up goods which will cost money to stockpile? I cant see any produce apart from sheepmeat needing intervention tbh and that won't last long

 

[topground]

How much cheap imported lamb and beef is bought by public bodies to feed hospital patients, prisoners, schoolchildren and the armed forces?
Government buying UK produce to supply those organisations who buy on price rather than provenance wouldnt do any harm in supporting the market post brexit.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Our most " profitable " time during the 40 year CAP palaver was during the early years with intervention. It would have been nice if farm produce prices had risen over the years in line with inflation, but they didn't. If the price of food trebled in Tesco's now, then there really would be civil unrest. We are stuck in this rut , I'm just thinking of the best way to cling on to a reasonable living, given the circumstances. Trying to make the best of a very bad job.
And TBH, I never really saw the problem with aircraft hangers full of wheat. Better to have too much food, than not enough ?
For 20 years I've been hearing food shortages will push the price of food up. Hasn't happened yet.

The tipping point's still 10 years out.

But by then, human health will be that fudgeed in the western world that the population will begin to reduce in these areas, and replaced by the healthier Indians and Chinese.

Luckily the commodity production methods in popular use have NO effect on human health and fertility, hey?

Farmers will have their day in the sun, again.

 

[Nithsdale]

An interesting ethical conundrum.

Does it matter if my grade 1 land is growing maize for AD,

Does it matter if my lambs are bought by a man called Mohammed?

Does it matter if the only market for the food I produce is the government?

No

No

No



So long as the prices paid for the produce are the current market price at point of sale.




If the government buy our food, they should be feeding the nation with it - schools, hospitals, prisons... so long as they don't push our prices down and cause corner cutting in the chain (BSE anyone).

But ofcourse if our products cost too much, they'll just import - no different to the supermarkets. They aren't really going to be doing it to help us

 

[Raider112]

How much beef do we import and how much do we export?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

I cant see a remainer ecepecting money from Boris . They would tell him to stick it surly , they would stick a Pick in their own Canoes before ever admitting they were wrong

 

[neilo]

I cant see a remainer ecepecting money from Boris . They would tell him to stick it surly , they would stick a Pick in their own Canoes before ever admitting they were wrong

If my business is going to be fecked by Boris’s headlong race to make a name for himself, then I would happily accept any meagre compensation he might be able to throw my way. Personally, I suspect those promises will prove pretty hollow, but hey, it makes good press for Project BoJo.

Will you be handing over the cash you made from selling that milk quota the EU forced you to accept foc?

 

[abitdaft]

No

No

No



So long as the prices paid for the produce are the current market price at point of sale.




If the government buy our food, they should be feeding the nation with it - schools, hospitals, prisons... so long as they don't push our prices down and cause corner cutting in the chain (BSE anyone).

But ofcourse if our products cost too much, they'll just import - no different to the supermarkets. They aren't really going to be doing it to help us

The optimist in me likes to think that given we are ( in Scotland )pretty high up on the export chain that Government will see the value that we provide, the realist in me thinks they will sell us down the river. The one thing that I think that GB and in particular PGI status up and down the country is that we are well known for quality and I truly hope that will be our saving grace. However that is not going to make a damn towards the hospitals, armed forces etc unless the likes of the NFUS get some kid of campaign going, something along the lines of the Black Watch sitting down to Scottish roast lamb after a tough days exercise or a few squaddies out on the hill opening up Scottish beef stew packs and heating them up after a days mountaineering/ water rescues/ flooding etc. Showing hospital patients in rehab after surgery being fed good locally produced food, same with school kids learning about where their food comes from and how it is reared/slaughtered etc. There is a massive opportunity for all of us to come together and really show governments and the public about what we do, will we do........................probably not!

 

[ffukedfarmer]

Gove is in charge of it, so don't expect to be paid anytime soon.

 

[Henarar]

Will you be handing over the cash you made from selling that milk quota the EU forced you to accept foc?

Lots of farmers have made money from selling milk quota or other farming quota but that doesn't or shouldn't stop them from standing back and saying that they think that it was wrong, there is nothing wrong with that, plenty on here take BPS and say that it should go and there is nothing wrong with that
We as individual farmers don't control the hand we are dealt when it comes to this sort of thing we just do the best we can with what we get

 

[Hindsight]

http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2019/07/30/lets-transform-uk-agriculture/

http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2019/07/31/farm-management-and-more-food/