Well, make sure you dump a hardcopy of the page to paper to show the Inspector, if he comes calling.....
IPM3 - Companion Crops
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Hindsight
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- Lincolnshire
Hi, could you put up the Thread title and post number please if you can - so I can find it and print / save a copy. Thank you.
Mixedupfarmer
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Definitely!
Mixedupfarmer
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Sustainable farming incentive - handbook for 2023 has been published
Afternoon all, Today we've published a handbook containing all the detailed information about the sustainable farming incentive offer for this year. The handbook is here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/sfi-handbook-for-the-sfi-2023-offer An overview blogpost is here...
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Daniel
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The first bit was suggested, the idea including the beet harvester was mine.
I haven’t had chance to look into it further, wouldn’t it comply?
Hindsight
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Thank you. Much appreciated.Post 740Sustainable farming incentive - handbook for 2023 has been published
Afternoon all, Today we've published a handbook containing all the detailed information about the sustainable farming incentive offer for this year. The handbook is here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/sfi-handbook-for-the-sfi-2023-offer An overview blogpost is here...
Hindsight
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I have no idea if it would comply Daniel. It looks that way from what I read on here. And I think been mentioned elsewhere. I am probably being ultra cautious but having been involved in a couple of RPA inspections that turned sour am keen not to get involved in more. And am like a dog that is kicked and then doesn't trust its owner know whether to believe inspection will be 'light touch advisory chats' or 'light touch advisory chats with payments received to date recovered' which as an adviser is the 'bette noir' when farmers / businessfolk turn to 'who can we claim against' mode. Cheers.
Mixedupfarmer
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It is a very useful option on arable, we just need research to find which species will best stand pre-ems
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- Yorks
I won't be applying for SFI until next year, so might be able to get some experience from others which year you submit for SAM2 overwinter cover, and which year for the SAM3 heb rich ley. I'm well expecting this to not be possible, but not unusual to establish grass in the springtime.
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- Yorks
Oilseed rape and beans seems to survive autumn liberator +pdm. OSR also seems to survive the flea beetle when it's a volunteer in the following cereal.
SAM2 and SAM3 cannot be located on the same area within a land parcel according to the handbook.
Think you can if you're going down SAM2 route.
Was thinking a cereal drilled with an annual clover like Balansa Clover, keep it as a mix during the winter then switch to usual herbicide program if necessary in the spring. Balansa is supposed to be winter hardy ......
Was thinking that because it's winter hardy it will be present for the winter period and qualify for the £129/ha SAM2 payment, if it really worked out I was thinking it may increase competition against weeds and supply N to the cereal in spring. If it's being too aggressive and competing with the cereal then herbicide in spring kills it and it's job done and money in the bank.
You need to have two of the species off the approved list of cover crops. Not sure grass is one of them without looking.
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Just looked, grass is one of them.
So if growing a commercial grass/clover ley, then can claim SAM2 (first autumn of establishment). But then you could add herbs and claim bigger SAM3 payment (instead of SAM2).
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Still don't know what you're getting at.
Think I do now thinking about it.
You want to establish a cover crop now and start payment and also at the same time claim sam3 on the same parcel and start receiving payment now as well and establish it during the next 12 months?
Get a herbal ley in now and claim 380 odd quid now.
Much safer in case you fall foul of the interpretation.
I wondered about that. Would they grow with a scattering of soil on top?
that could work well - i’ve never been very successful at getting clover to grow here however
What would you put that down to? If I recall you've got light soils and are around central midlands - does that mean lack of moisture perhaps?
not sure but i think it’s probably very sensitive to residual herbicides ? i have been in a innovative farmers living mulch trial for a few year and near all the conventional farmers have had little success yet the organic guys grow great clover !
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Let's say agreement start date 1st April.
I could claim SAM2 in a field in year 1. I could claim SAM3 in that same field for year 3. That seems straightforward.
What I don't know is, could I claim SAM2 in year 1, then SAM3 in year 2.
I realise the rules say I can't claim them both together in the same year, but is that calendar year or SFI agreement year? It's as clear as mud.
Edit. If it's a 3 year agreement starting 1st April, then presumably the SFI agreement year runs from 1st April until 31st March (not 1st Jan to 31st Dec). So to my mind, it's logical that you can have SAM2 in year 1, then SAM3 in year 2 on the same parcel.
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