Is Red Tractor Legal?

[mixedfmr]

While we're worried about GFC and looking the wrong way? You bet they will.

I thought this, but is there enough produce for the mills OR WILL THE PRICE HAVE TO GO UP

 

[Badshot]

Well every supermarket the wife drags me in( i ll blame her because i like to see what they charge for our produce and tell them the mark up) think I will engage with THE Manager, and ask why he is selling RT labeled food containing Gate keeper with poss banned chemicals in ( dare say i ll have to educate him) kind of thing i like to do, next to his shoppers, espesialy Tescos (I ll have to hold my nose first)
I ll do for a start before the horse power moves in

What is this gatekeeper I keep seeing referenced?

 

[Clive]

What is this gatekeeper I keep seeing referenced?

in summary its the (no farm level assurance). testing standard that merchants use to import and make these cheper lower stadards commodities equivalent in price as our red tractor, farm level assured produce


detail on what exactly is tested and any transparency of result is none existant however, its "commercially sensitive". apparently .......... yet revealing my inside leg measurements to a red tractor inspector is juts fine


There was a sham review of this that Tom Bradsaw and AIC were responsible for a year or so ago - it was an utter whitewash that I still cant believe got past our ag press and AHDB etc

 

[SilliamWhale]

There was a sham review of this that Tom Bradsaw and AIC were responsible for a year or so ago - it was an utter whitewash that I still cant believe got past our ag press and AHDB etc

I can definitely believe why it got past the AHDB!

 

[Charles.]

I would of thought RT are illegal in the fact they knowingly sell imported from abroad non farm assured illegally produced produce because of banned pesticides under UK law. RT along with BRC intentionally don't actively do enough to ensure RT sells only farm assured produce under their RT label. In fact BRC and RT are happy to deceive the public with non farm assured illegal produce sold under the RT label because it allows the supermarkets sell more produce under RT label to give the woke sustainability, environment agenda to attract and keep customers brainwashed by it all. I'm sure you have noticed supermarkets and other BRC members are promoting this sort of marketing to boost their profits. Undercover investigation could be used in order to prosecute this criminal activity. I won't be surprised RT are illegal in other respects.

 

[Charles.]

Its expensive.

The Competition and Marketing Authority ought to be able to make a statement on it

Yes that's another avenue to kill the snake as mentioned before.

 

[Charles.]

Ultimately someone is demanding RT, eg Frontier demand it, because the mills they sell to demand it, because the farmer feeder requires it, because the processor demands it, because the SUPERMARKETS DEMAND IT,
So possibly "clive" is right about the protests there, but the public will think were trying to get lower quality food past them?

I suspect the protest will get the public onside more with WEF net zero rubbish designed to destroy the masses getting conned into it while many corporates will pretend to do net zero or do power grab of farmers carbon credits for free like the BRC. WEF Klaus Schwab you will eat the bugs and you'll own nothing and you'll be happy says it all. Many of the public will view the farmers representing the masses protesting against net zero WEF lot etc.

 

[Charles.]

go for it then !

it also completely consumed his life and bought him a lot of hassle and hardship along the way …….. sorry but i’m simply not up for that, if anyone is however they have my support

No need for legal action.

Contact your local MPs and this man Andrew Bridgen before and after the election.

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There is an opportunity to sever the head of the snake which is AIC illegal activity thanks to legal advice, saying UK Gatekeeper lab tested legally produced grain can't be bought by UFAS mills yet illegally produced Gatekeeper lab tested grain from abroad can. Also RT is forcing farmers into GFC which Bridgen knows net zero is rubbish and a lie. If these MPs have the will, they have the clout to make the house of cards fall and with it the cabal snake that is RT,AIC,BRC,NFU. In fact I have faith Andrew Bridgen alone has the ability to put the snake to the sword.

 

[Charles.]

in summary its the (no farm level assurance). testing standard that merchants use to import and make these cheper lower stadards commodities equivalent in price as our red tractor, farm level assured produce


detail on what exactly is tested and any transparency of result is none existant however, its "commercially sensitive". apparently .......... yet revealing my inside leg measurements to a red tractor inspector is juts fine


There was a sham review of this that Tom Bradsaw and AIC were responsible for a year or so ago - it was an utter whitewash that I still cant believe got past our ag press and AHDB etc

detail on what exactly is tested and any transparency of result is none existant however, its "commercially sensitive". apparently .......... yet revealing my inside leg measurements to a red tractor inspector is juts fine.

I strongly suspect it's because how it will reveal how easy it will be for the UK producer to match or exceed those tests or that the imports are illegally produced under UK law.

 

[Grass And Grain]

detail on what exactly is tested and any transparency of result is none existant however, its "commercially sensitive". apparently .......... yet revealing my inside leg measurements to a red tractor inspector is juts fine.

I strongly suspect it's because how it will reveal how easy it will be for the UK producer to match or exceed those tests or that the imports are illegally produced under UK law.

Some of the imports can even bypass the gatekeeper lab tests.

There's some small print within the EFISC-GTP scheme which says grain can go to the UK mill without lab tests (during shipping), as long as the destination mill has an intake sampling and testing procedure. They could be just testing for moisture, bushel, protein, hagberg, possibly mycotoxins.

Then there's the French co-op model. Again, if the co-op sees to their own grain sampling and testing (co-op decides what tests they do), then there's no more Gatekeeper lab tests by the shippers. We could easily do this in the UK.

 

[ajd132]

No need for legal action.

Contact your local MPs and this man Andrew Bridgen before and after the election.

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There is an opportunity to sever the head of the snake which is AIC illegal activity thanks to legal advice, saying UK Gatekeeper lab tested legally produced grain can't be bought by UFAS mills yet illegally produced Gatekeeper lab tested grain from abroad can. Also RT is forcing farmers into GFC which Bridgen knows net zero is rubbish and a lie. If these MPs have the will, they have the clout to make the house of cards fall and with it the cabal snake that is RT,AIC,BRC,NFU. In fact I have faith Andrew Bridgen alone has the ability to put the snake to the sword.

cool it with the Andrew Bridgen video you have made your point!

 

[Charles.]

cool it with the Andrew Bridgen video you have made your point!

Are you part of the cabal RT,AIC,NFU,BRC lol. Yes like others on this forum I'm angry such it may come across as an obsession but it is also to try and make more forum members aware of what's going on if they don't already know. What makes me angry the most is AIC saying UFAS mills can import illegally produced non farm assured produce but we UK farmers have to be farm assured and legally produced for UFAS mills. Legal advice states it's illegal and in the absence of legal advice it's common sense it's wrong. AIC will know it's illegal and wrong too. I'm angry because the majority of farmers are being illegally forced against their will to join RT due to AIC's criminal activity. There should be choice to join RT not be forced against their will to join RT, not that there will be any worthwhile premium to join. There's also the anger that, as evidenced on this forum RT,AIC,NFU are being paid to suit the agenda of BRC which is a power grab of our assets for free like carbon credits and RT BRC imposing more and more work and costs onto farmers for no premium. Also BRC RT are knowingly selling non farm assured produce under the RT label and intentionally not bothering anywhere near enough to stop it from happening because it allows supermarkets to sell more produce under RT for marketing woke sustainability, environment for the brainwashed consumer, which essentially equates to boosting profits. I'm also angry because the imported produce countries don't put up with parasites like this cabal, in fact China and India know net zero is rubbish and building a lot more coal fired power stations. Batters has said BRC won't pay a worthwhile premium to the farmer. Dairy producers may find it harder to leave RT but many livestock farmers have ditched RT which will have sent alarm bells to them because it's all about money. It's possible to significantly reduce RT and AIC money supply so they can't function in their current capacity.

This cabal which amounts to criminal activity RT,AIC,NFU,BRC are going on the premise we farmers will keep moaning on but take no action and hence the gravy train continues . It's action that these criminals will sit up and take notice of. I'm sure BFU has strategies to deal with RT,AIC,NFU,BRC but as individuals we can still take action. I agree if we all left RT at once it would probably do the trick but will that ever happen? If farmer protests strategically done right, that could nicely sort the cabal out. As individuals I would of thought MPs, Competition and Markets Authority,social media is the way to go. Maybe contact TV media to do undercover investigation.

Surely targeting AIC is the best strategy to damage the gravy train and force change upon the cabal.

 

[Charles.]

Some of the imports can even bypass the gatekeeper lab tests.

There's some small print within the EFISC-GTP scheme which says grain can go to the UK mill without lab tests (during shipping), as long as the destination mill has an intake sampling and testing procedure. They could be just testing for moisture, bushel, protein, hagberg, possibly mycotoxins.

Then there's the French co-op model. Again, if the co-op sees to their own grain sampling and testing (co-op decides what tests they do), then there's no more Gatekeeper lab tests by the shippers. We could easily do this in the UK.

Thank you for educating us. I've learn't brilliant information from you and Clive that is the most significant and has the clout to force change upon AIC . I would of thought targeting AIC is the best strategy to force change on the current gravy train that is RT, AIC,BRC,NFU.

 

[JP1]

Are you part of the cabal RT,AIC,NFU,BRC lol. Yes like others on this forum I'm angry such it may come across as an obsession but it is also to try and make more forum members aware of what's going on if they don't already know. What makes me angry the most is AIC saying UFAS mills can import illegally produced non farm assured produce but we UK farmers have to be farm assured and legally produced for UFAS mills. Legal advice states it's illegal and in the absence of legal advice it's common sense it's wrong. AIC will know it's illegal and wrong too. I'm angry because the majority of farmers are being illegally forced against their will to join RT due to AIC's criminal activity. There should be choice to join RT not be forced against their will to join RT, not that there will be any worthwhile premium to join. There's also the anger that, as evidenced on this forum RT,AIC,NFU are being paid to suit the agenda of BRC which is a power grab of our assets for free like carbon credits and RT BRC imposing more and more work and costs onto farmers for no premium. Also BRC RT are knowingly selling non farm assured produce under the RT label and intentionally not bothering anywhere near enough to stop it from happening because it allows supermarkets to sell more produce under RT for marketing woke sustainability, environment for the brainwashed consumer, which essentially equates to boosting profits. I'm also angry because the imported produce countries don't put up with parasites like this cabal, in fact China and India know net zero is rubbish and building a lot more coal fired power stations. Batters has said BRC won't pay a worthwhile premium to the farmer. Dairy producers may find it harder to leave RT but many livestock farmers have ditched RT which will have sent alarm bells to them because it's all about money. It's possible to significantly reduce RT and AIC money supply so they can't function in their current capacity.

This cabal which amounts to criminal activity RT,AIC,NFU,BRC are going on the premise we farmers will keep moaning on but take no action and hence the gravy train continues . It's action that these criminals will sit up and take notice of. I'm sure BFU has strategies to deal with RT,AIC,NFU,BRC but as individuals we can still take action. I agree if we all left RT at once it would probably do the trick but will that ever happen? If farmer protests strategically done right, that could nicely sort the cabal out. As individuals I would of thought MPs, Competition and Markets Authority,social media is the way to go. Maybe contact TV media to do undercover investigation.

Surely targeting AIC is the best strategy to damage the gravy train and force change upon the cabal.

No @ajd132 certainly isn't part of that cabal. He's quite cerebral and active in both farming and trying to reform RT

 

[Grass And Grain]

Thank you for educating us. I've learn't brilliant information from you and Clive that is the most significant and has the clout to force change upon AIC . I would of thought targeting AIC is the best strategy to force change on the current gravy train that is RT, AIC,BRC,NFU.

The EFISC-GTP thing where they skip the lab tests is actually only for human consumption mills/malt. It's bizarre isn't it!! They don't allow it for animal feed destinations.

The French co-op model is probably the middle ground whereby farmers have an alternative to RT, yet the mills know someone independent is overseeing checking the grain quality. Then Red Tractor can spend their days pouring over ther accounts and wondering why there income has dried up.

 

[ajd132]

Are you part of the cabal RT,AIC,NFU,BRC lol. Yes like others on this forum I'm angry such it may come across as an obsession but it is also to try and make more forum members aware of what's going on if they don't already know. What makes me angry the most is AIC saying UFAS mills can import illegally produced non farm assured produce but we UK farmers have to be farm assured and legally produced for UFAS mills. Legal advice states it's illegal and in the absence of legal advice it's common sense it's wrong. AIC will know it's illegal and wrong too. I'm angry because the majority of farmers are being illegally forced against their will to join RT due to AIC's criminal activity. There should be choice to join RT not be forced against their will to join RT, not that there will be any worthwhile premium to join. There's also the anger that, as evidenced on this forum RT,AIC,NFU are being paid to suit the agenda of BRC which is a power grab of our assets for free like carbon credits and RT BRC imposing more and more work and costs onto farmers for no premium. Also BRC RT are knowingly selling non farm assured produce under the RT label and intentionally not bothering anywhere near enough to stop it from happening because it allows supermarkets to sell more produce under RT for marketing woke sustainability, environment for the brainwashed consumer, which essentially equates to boosting profits. I'm also angry because the imported produce countries don't put up with parasites like this cabal, in fact China and India know net zero is rubbish and building a lot more coal fired power stations. Batters has said BRC won't pay a worthwhile premium to the farmer. Dairy producers may find it harder to leave RT but many livestock farmers have ditched RT which will have sent alarm bells to them because it's all about money. It's possible to significantly reduce RT and AIC money supply so they can't function in their current capacity.

This cabal which amounts to criminal activity RT,AIC,NFU,BRC are going on the premise we farmers will keep moaning on but take no action and hence the gravy train continues . It's action that these criminals will sit up and take notice of. I'm sure BFU has strategies to deal with RT,AIC,NFU,BRC but as individuals we can still take action. I agree if we all left RT at once it would probably do the trick but will that ever happen? If farmer protests strategically done right, that could nicely sort the cabal out. As individuals I would of thought MPs, Competition and Markets Authority,social media is the way to go. Maybe contact TV media to do undercover investigation.

Surely targeting AIC is the best strategy to damage the gravy train and force change upon the cabal.

No I am not and have put a lot of time into exposing these issues publicly for many years, causing myself considerable grief in the process.
I just think repeatedly posting a video from a dubious backbench mp is getting quite tiresome.

 

[tullah]

 

[Charles.]

No I am not and have put a lot of time into exposing these issues publicly for many years, causing myself considerable grief in the process.
I just think repeatedly posting a video from a dubious backbench mp is getting quite tiresome.

What do you think of Jeremy Clarkson, can he help the cause?

 

[mixedfmr]

What do you think of Jeremy Clarkson, can he help the cause?

Of coarse, hes good pr to most people

 

[Charles.]

in summary its the (no farm level assurance). testing standard that merchants use to import and make these cheper lower stadards commodities equivalent in price as our red tractor, farm level assured produce


detail on what exactly is tested and any transparency of result is none existant however, its "commercially sensitive". apparently .......... yet revealing my inside leg measurements to a red tractor inspector is juts fine


There was a sham review of this that Tom Bradsaw and AIC were responsible for a year or so ago - it was an utter whitewash that I still cant believe got past our ag press and AHDB etc

When I contact MP or MPs I intend to give BFU contact details if the MP or MPs want clarity. I presume BFU will have great knowledge to what amounts to illegal activity thanks to legal advice that AIC stipulate UFAS mills can buy imported Gatekeeper lab tested grain but can't buy UK Gatekeeper lab tested grain and therefore the majority of UK grain farmers are forced against their will into a supposedly voluntary RT assurance scheme ?