Is the west agricultural industry being run by an academic led doomsday cult ?

[Humble Village Farmer]

young farmers everywhere being forced out of the market by people who have no interest in farming

The poor returns from farming will ensure this trend continues. Farmers don't buy land from farming profits.

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

You are right. A waste of taxpayers money. “Oh we don’t need to produce food, let’s just have a massive wild parkland for our country”. We can import all the substandard products we like! Beggars belief in this day and age. Muppets, all of them in the position of decision making on this policy

While I sympathise with you to a degree, returns from farming are so low that there's little incentive to produce. Prices are low because supply exceeds demand.

 

[MrNoo]

Isn't this to show us the true value of farmland?

Investment, risk, skill, knowledge and commitment are all being given away for almost nothing. Food and commodities do not reflect the true cost of production, but there's still someone in the world who will supply it

It's all fine buying in from abroad until it isn't.

But you don’t look a gift horse in the mouth!! Completely agree with you, just shows you how fecked up it all is.

 

[som farmer]

chips, what can be cheaper than cutting up a spud into chips, and cooking them in oil, or better lard.

and yet they make French fries etc, from reconstituted, ground up spuds, and they are cheaper than a 'proper' chip.

what do they add, or is it better not to know ! What ever is in them, there's more profit in processing them into 'chips', rather than 'traditional' chips Same applies to lots of other food.

The worst part, chemicals used processing, some are highly addictive, and its known highly processed food, definitely is not healthy. Todays parents, are predicted to live longer than the next generation. First time that has occurred.

just a pity we cannot 'sue' the processors for causing serious illness/death, by overeating processed foods, that might cause a rethink.

 

[Cowabunga]

The poor returns from farming will ensure this trend continues. Farmers don't buy land from farming profits.

Oh yes they do!

With the help of loans of course.

 

[soapsud]

governments telling folk what they should or shouldn't do with their land.

For that is what the retailers want the public to believe. That is why they created their WWF basket case enviromental policy

Here's syllogism explaining why small farmers resist political persuasion:

Experts who tell us what's best for us become our leaders,
We instinctively know what's right
Therefore if we start to disagree with those experts then they are no longer fit to lead us.

 

[devonbeef]

Personally I think the agricultural industry in the uk and other western countries is being run by an academic led doomsday cult. The brainwashed individuals in positions of power everywhere are being led by anti meat eating and climate change snake oil salesmen that have no business deciding what stock farmers and crop farmers should produce and what subsidies they get to produce the product that the farmer sells to make a profit.
subsidies were totally changed from production during 2000 to area payment that reduced the stocking on all farms, this subsidised the farmer for less product while taking care of the environment and keeping food supply stable. now all these years later the farmers that listened to these academics and uk and eu conservationists are told what they told us to do was all wrong and it’s destroying the planet and wildlife was in better fettle before they got involved in 2000.
I think farming is being run by a academic led doomsday cult and even our farmers union and farmers weekly, farming media, has been brainwashed by it all. Farming is in a downwards spiral ( especially in wales where many of the ministers in charge are against eating meat ) I look on at the people running the show from all parties in despair because they have no plan except deindustrialising the uk and wales ( doomsday cults do things like that ) while businesses are being destroyed and farming production is moved to another country.
i can see the replies now ( brexit caused it all ) we all know Europes farming is doing worse and is in constant rioting, protests because of this same situation where academic led doomsday cults are running the farming industry over there also )
the farmers union and all farming media should be kicking in the doors of certainly the welsh government to get these loons to see sense before it’s to late, but I have a sneaking suspicion that they are to heavily involved in the decision making process that caused this cluster f**k in the first place ?
hold on to your hats everyone because I can see the complete destruction of welsh farming and nobody is doing a thing about it because they are afraid to ruffle a few feathers and tell the loons in charge a few home truths !

It begs the question, At what stage and what has to happen further before we pull together and go European style?
We are seeing huge land grabs ie Shropshire NT mega nature reserve.
We are seeing Coop Supermarket starting the early stages of forcing green measures on suppliers.
Dairy farmers already being forced on supplying green credentials .
We are seeing the blue print for the theft of farmers stored carbon to offset others pollution. GFC
We are seeing vilification of our dairy and meat products.
We are seeing the distortion of markets built up over the years, (where are stock farmers going to source straw and grain).
Land availability to tenanted farmers going to become tighter.
Losing farmers from the industry at a rate of knots.
At some stage( be in 1939 Poland, neighbour nicking land through moving hedge line, non payment for goods rendered, Putin crossing in to other EU/ Nato member states) a line is crossed and action becomes the only course of action.

 

[som farmer]

While I sympathise with you to a degree, returns from farming are so low that there's little incentive to produce. Prices are low because supply exceeds demand.

we are looking to maximise income from SFI, quite easy to exceed SFP, and a damn site easier to do, returns from 'proper' farming, are simply to low.

as we see it, you either invest in 'technology', and intensify, which requires considerable investment, equalled by the 'risk', or simplify downwards, for less return, better lifestyle, and probably similar profit.

the intensive technology systems, basically rely on producing more milk, beef, chicken, pork, and cereals etc, and hope the extra production, covers your investment.

which is exactly what the guv wants, more production, = lower prices, again, exactly what guv wants, cheap food for the 'masses', keeps them quiet. Plus, its a cheap way for the guv to support, and expand, the new technical industry. They pay us, 40%, which we think is great, and add the remaining 60%, and the whole lot ends up in the new tech industry. Brilliant, the civil servant who thought that out, has probably been knighted, for services to the guv.

if you follow the environmental grants, steering you towards the regen way, they pacify the climate zealots, give us some cash, which shuts us up, win win. The public think its great. Cheap food in the shops, maintained by imports, from where 'carbon/climate' issues are only paid lip service to, makes the job a load of ballcocks.

there is one big extra plus, following the 'regen type route', which l doubt the guv even thinks about, by farming that way, you allow your soil to rebuild structure, and fertility, so when everything goes tits up, and uk food is needed again, we can use that, to our advantage. With planting tree's, your fecked with that.

 

[warksfarmer]

Personally I think the agricultural industry in the uk and other western countries is being run by an academic led doomsday cult. The brainwashed individuals in positions of power everywhere are being led by anti meat eating and climate change snake oil salesmen that have no business deciding what stock farmers and crop farmers should produce and what subsidies they get to produce the product that the farmer sells to make a profit.
subsidies were totally changed from production during 2000 to area payment that reduced the stocking on all farms, this subsidised the farmer for less product while taking care of the environment and keeping food supply stable. now all these years later the farmers that listened to these academics and uk and eu conservationists are told what they told us to do was all wrong and it’s destroying the planet and wildlife was in better fettle before they got involved in 2000.
I think farming is being run by a academic led doomsday cult and even our farmers union and farmers weekly, farming media, has been brainwashed by it all. Farming is in a downwards spiral ( especially in wales where many of the ministers in charge are against eating meat ) I look on at the people running the show from all parties in despair because they have no plan except deindustrialising the uk and wales ( doomsday cults do things like that ) while businesses are being destroyed and farming production is moved to another country.
i can see the replies now ( brexit caused it all ) we all know Europes farming is doing worse and is in constant rioting, protests because of this same situation where academic led doomsday cults are running the farming industry over there also )
the farmers union and all farming media should be kicking in the doors of certainly the welsh government to get these loons to see sense before it’s to late, but I have a sneaking suspicion that they are to heavily involved in the decision making process that caused this cluster f**k in the first place ?
hold on to your hats everyone because I can see the complete destruction of welsh farming and nobody is doing a thing about it because they are afraid to ruffle a few feathers and tell the loons in charge a few home truths !

The farming union hasn't been brainwashed, they are fully part of it.

 

[bluebell]

What really gets me, is the power these so called "experts" have, its like the heads of the national trust, the heads of of the RSPB, and when i say "power", what i mean is power in decideing policey, but being in charge of massive sums of money, yes if i decide to plant trees, buy land, do with it what ever, thats legal? Its my land i own it, i take the risk, of any thing going wrong, or a loss, and i bear totally the loss, and are responsible for my actions? These so called experts have none of this or that, in fact if they make a total "cock up", lose millions of pounds, hey hoy well its not their money any way, they normally, are quitely retired on a big fat, gold plated pension? And another so called "expert" takes their place?

 

[bluebell]

Laugh able some times, the other day, on the tv programme country view, there was some slip of a girl, fresh out of university, wet behind the years, deciding, telling, and in charge, of budgets of millions of pounds about some "scheme", up north, of rewilding, blocking up all the drainage ? In the past the "experts" had earnt that title, by? years of practical sucessful, and more important local yes local knowledge of the "local " land people etc?

 

[JockCroft]

Personally I think the agricultural industry in the uk and other western countries is being run by an academic led doomsday cult. The brainwashed individuals in positions of power everywhere are being led by anti meat eating and climate change snake oil salesmen that have no business deciding what stock farmers and crop farmers should produce and what subsidies they get to produce the product that the farmer sells to make a profit.
subsidies were totally changed from production during 2000 to area payment that reduced the stocking on all farms, this subsidised the farmer for less product while taking care of the environment and keeping food supply stable. now all these years later the farmers that listened to these academics and uk and eu conservationists are told what they told us to do was all wrong and it’s destroying the planet and wildlife was in better fettle before they got involved in 2000.
I think farming is being run by a academic led doomsday cult and even our farmers union and farmers weekly, farming media, has been brainwashed by it all. Farming is in a downwards spiral ( especially in wales where many of the ministers in charge are against eating meat ) I look on at the people running the show from all parties in despair because they have no plan except deindustrialising the uk and wales ( doomsday cults do things like that ) while businesses are being destroyed and farming production is moved to another country.
i can see the replies now ( brexit caused it all ) we all know Europes farming is doing worse and is in constant rioting, protests because of this same situation where academic led doomsday cults are running the farming industry over there also )
the farmers union and all farming media should be kicking in the doors of certainly the welsh government to get these loons to see sense before it’s to late, but I have a sneaking suspicion that they are to heavily involved in the decision making process that caused this cluster f**k in the first place ?
hold on to your hats everyone because I can see the complete destruction of welsh farming and nobody is doing a thing about it because they are afraid to ruffle a few feathers and tell the loons in charge a few home truths !

Maybe, but if you want to get a conspiracy theory going, make it a bit more believable.

The world is over populated and cannot support the number of human's, so the super rich are aiming to have total control over food for probably 90% of the population, so will be easy to have reproductive control through additive to the processed slop they will feed the (slaves).
Is it already happening? So many people with confused genders?

Even is there an inbuilt "Lemming Syndrome" in humans? Some country's with populations dropping already.

Oh I should take up fiction writing, Could weave so much from this.

 

[jpd]

McDonalds buy and use 4100 tons of potatoes worldwide every day of the year. That’s 1.5 million tons of spuds taken/bought annually by one single customer.

then why is dare so few fries in the red chip hiolder tingy when i get fries ?
some 1 somewher is havin a right feed o chips i surmise

 

[Old Boar]

An impact assessment its Sustainable Farming Scheme proposals commissioned by Welsh Government forecasts a ‘shocking scenario’ for Welsh agriculture, according to NFU Cymru.
The modelling, based on the potential economic effects of the previous 2022 outline proposals for the Sustainable Farming Scheme (SFS), predicts:

• A 122,200 reduction in Welsh livestock units, in effect a 10.8% reduction in Welsh livestock numbers
• An 11% cut in labour on Welsh farms – the equivalent of losing 5,500 jobs based on current employment levels on Welsh farms
• A £125.3m hit to output from the sector, and a loss of £199 million to farm business income (85%)

The recently published 'Potential economic effects of the Sustainable Farming Scheme Phase 4 Universal Actions Modelling Results', carried out by ADAS, Pareto Consulting SRUC and University College Dublin, paints a bleak picture for Welsh farming.

5,500 farming jobs at risk in 'shocking scenario' of Welsh Government study

An impact assessment its Sustainable Farming Scheme proposals commissioned by Welsh Government forecasts a ‘shocking scenario’ for Welsh…

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[beardface]

I think this is an interesting read to get your head around a different way of looking at agriculture;

After millennia of agricultural expansion, the world has passed ‘peak agricultural land’

The world produces more food than ever, but the amount of land we use is now falling. This means we can feed more people while restoring wild habitat.

ourworldindata.org

In brief, it says;

Global pasture has peaked. Global cropland has not.

This might come as a surprise as global meat consumption is increasing. How, then, can pasture for livestock have peaked and now be falling?

The world produces three times as much meat as it did 50 years ago. But how this meat is produced and what types of meat we eat have shifted. First, we produce a lot of pork and chicken which are not fed on pasture.

Second, a lot of our beef production has moved from open pasture grazing towards more intensive farming methods; this has spared land. This presents an important dilemma: grain-fed livestock is often more land-efficient than pasture-fed livestock, so you need less land overall; but the biodiversity on grazing lands is often better than on intensive croplands.

What this means is that more and more animals are being fed from crops grown on croplands, rather than on pasture. In fact, almost half of the world’s cropland is used to produce animal feed. Unfortunately, this conversion process from crops to meat is still an inefficient one, meaning we need a lot of land to produce a small amount of food.

Biofuels, too, have added additional pressure on croplands, especially in countries such as the US and Brazil.

Another aspect of housed stock thats overlooked is the increased amounts of nitrogen (both soluble and atmospheric) and phosphate they produce in relation to pasture fed. Plus the nutritional value of pasture versus grain. Welfare of pasture versus housed is also overlooked IMO even though we have the likes of PETA.

 

[Hilly]

No. The West's agricultural industry is now run by corporations. A takeover that, for decades, has been aided and abetted by farmers. Should have listened to the lentil knitters.

What is the solution ?

 

[Hilly]

The poor returns from farming will ensure this trend continues. Farmers don't buy land from farming profits.

Some do.

 

[soapsud]

What is the solution ?

Evict all the farmers and install the lentil knitters in their place to grow Britain's food?

 

[Hilly]

Evict all the farmers and install the lentil knitters in their place to grow Britain's food?

Demand would grow rapidly

 

[Martin Holden]

While I sympathise with you to a degree, returns from farming are so low that there's little incentive to produce. Prices are low because supply exceeds demand.

Yes I get that and fully understand why this would be a sensible choice. It’s a shame we can’t grow a bigger variety of crops here although as we experience warmer summers perhaps opportunities will open up?