Is there any future in suckler cows ?

[Chae1]

Come on now chae1...

You have to admire his stance on the matter... Its not for us to say if its right or wrong...

It's just a thought... But sometimes I think we as a group of farmers should take more of a stance...

He said he's not going to lower himself to the level of people who are in scheme?

I'm one of those people. Just interested why he considers himself a level above those of us in this scheme.

I normally find the people that rubbish these schemes are the one's that need to be in them the most!

We already do everything required from scheme. So apart ftom data entry and tissue tagging it isn't any additional work.

Everyone says no money in suckler cows. Yet feel they can turn down money.

Hilly will have a good response no doubt! And good reason for not taking the money.

I look forward to being shot down by him!

 

[ollie989898]

Can she do one for hot air so we can bolus the environmentalists?

Preferably in the reverse orifice!

 

[M-J-G]

The main difference is what they're lying on, is it not?

In what manner?

 

[Sharpy]

No its not on bes site its agrecalc.com. It's pretty farmer friendly. Even i managed do it myself this year!
I'm afraid doing a carbon audits going to become mandatory the way things are going with farming and the environment. I'm quite happy I've already completed one and came out of it in a good light.

I think part of the problem with the scheme is the way those running it communicate. They come across quite aggressive in correspondence. I think many farmers have just told them where to go. I know I've been tempted a few times.

You could be right re the tone of their correspondence, its also never their fault if anything is not correct, ever.

 

[M-J-G]

I’m not that desperate enough for money I lower myself to joining a half arsed scheme so I didn’t !

I know a guy who says the same about the calf payment, he won't fill out the form, I also know of a lad who says that those who jump through the required hoops for the BPS are fools.
I do them all, and I'm happy to be that fool.

Just like beauty, stupid is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[Hilly]

I know a guy who says the same about the calf payment, he won't fill out the form, I also know of a lad who says that those who jump through the required hoops for the BPS are fools.
I do them all, and I'm happy to be that fool.

Just like beauty, stupid is in the eye of the beholder.

now now telling lies is very stupid thing to do.

 

[muleman]

Yes

 

[Barley grower]

You could be right re the tone of their correspondence, its also never their fault if anything is not correct, ever.

We didn’t receive our tissue tags for spring 2018 born calves, apparently they were sent to us in May 2019 ... I was told it’s our problem that the tissue samples weren’t sent back, despite the fact they would have been sold before then anyway as BCMS would have shown!!

 

[M-J-G]

Yes

You mean you don't think anyone would be stupid enough to turn down money?

 

[Hilly]

You mean you don't think anyone would be stupid enough to turn down money

or silly enough to call a hell of a lot of Scottish farmers who have not joined a failed scheme and have bailed out half way stupid , now that would really be one stupid thing to do.

 

[Sharpy]

We didn’t receive our tissue tags for spring 2018 born calves, apparently they were sent to us in May 2019 ... I was told it’s our problem that the tissue samples weren’t sent back, despite the fact they would have been sold before then anyway as BCMS would have shown!!

Sounds about right, we got cheek from them as they sent tags for calves that arrived the day after they went through UA Stirling. Skilled we may be , time travellers we aint.

 

[M-J-G]

Read back @Hilly, you've misread (I also can't quote you as you've made a typing error)

I called nobody stupid, I was asking another member a question as to what they believed

I simply suggest that some things may be stupid to some and not to others, it depends on their views.

Many dislike subs, but they still claim them.

 

[Hilly]

He said he's not going to lower himself to the level of people who are in scheme?

I'm one of those people. Just interested why he considers himself a level above those of us in this scheme.

I normally find the people that rubbish these schemes are the one's that need to be in them the most!

We already do everything required from scheme. So apart ftom data entry and tissue tagging it isn't any additional work.

Everyone says no money in suckler cows. Yet feel they can turn down money.

Hilly will have a good response no doubt! And good reason for not taking the money.

I look forward to being shot down by him!

No disrespect to them in the scheme but I looked at it , it did t sit well with me I liked nothing about it so took a stance against it like a lot have , if more had it would have had to be altered or just put on the calf sub .

 

[Weasel]

No disrespect to them in the scheme but I looked at it , it did t sit well with me I liked nothing about it so took a stance against it like a lot have , if more had it would have had to be altered or just put on the calf sub .

I agree. It's a lot of sh!t. No one's going to gain anything from it. I think there will be a clause somewhere and the folk that are in it will get their pants down

 

[Hilly]

I agree. It's a lot of sh!t. No one's going to gain anything from it. I think there will be a clause somewhere and the folk that are in it will get their pants down

They get money but the chance of inspection a lot higher I’m told. I think it was designed to be helpful but turned out a bit sh!t sadly.

 

[Weasel]

They get money but the chance of inspection a lot higher I’m told. I think it was designed to be helpful but turned out a bit sh!t sadly.

I just don't get what their trying to achieve from it. They come and do a carbon audit and say ooh you scored 7. But can't explain it.

 

[Hilly]

I just don't get what their trying to achieve from it. They come and do a carbon audit and say ooh you scored 7. But can't explain it.

Shame , could have been a real opportunity for national herd improvement not just a cash cow.

 

[Weasel]

Shame , could have been a real opportunity for national herd improvement not just a cash cow.

Herd improvement how? Unless everyone keeps cows on the same kind of land etc etc It would never work

 

[Hilly]

Herd improvement how? Unless everyone keeps cows on the same kind of land etc etc It would never work

God knows , I don’t care I did t join, I wish more had not and it had been changed for better or put on the calf sub.

 

[Werzle]

It’s funny how the experts, pre brexit, forecasted doom and gloom for sheep and a fairly positive outlook for beef. But then that’s experts!

Brexit hasnt really happened yet so how do you know?