Islam

[Lowland1]

Have you contacted your daughters school to ask for a face to face meeting with the headmaster and teacher involved to discuss this?

Exactly. Go to the school and put your point across in a reasonable manner.

 

[Burrell Road Loco]

Exactly. Go to the school and put your point across in a reasonable manner.

This is part of the education syllabus, taught by a Muslim woman in rural Cambridgeshire.
Please tell me how I could seriously present the argument that I wasn’t happy about the untruthful propaganda that they are teaching our children, when it is part of the Education Authority syllabus?
The only outcome would be to harm my daughters chances of passing that particular subject.
As a (reasonably) responsible parents, we took the opportunity to elevate our daughters perception, and discuss why this was effective woke pro-Islamic propaganda. She now has a more questioning view of ‘facts’ presented to her.
She is now far more aware of the bias presented to her, for example she has commented on the demographics of actors used in adverts, not that we watch much TV.

However this isn’t a thread about education, but Islam.

 

[manhill]

The evidence speaks for itself. When was the last time the RC Church, or the CofE, or any of the branches of Judaism ordered a death by stoning? Now, when was the last time (the latest that was widely publicised, could have been more since) someone was stoned under Islam? The end of last year.

I'm about to go and do some stoning!
Those bloody crows! Well, maybe I'll use the gun instead?

 

[Lowland1]

This is part of the education syllabus, taught by a Muslim woman in rural Cambridgeshire.
Please tell me how I could seriously present the argument that I wasn’t happy about the untruthful propaganda that they are teaching our children, when it is part of the Education Authority syllabus?
The only outcome would be to harm my daughters chances of passing that particular subject.
As a (reasonably) responsible parents, we took the opportunity to elevate our daughters perception, and discuss why this was effective woke pro-Islamic propaganda. She now has a more questioning view of ‘facts’ presented to her.
She is now far more aware of the bias presented to her, for example she has commented on the demographics of actors used in adverts, not that we watch much TV.

However this isn’t a thread about education, but Islam.

If you disagree with what is being taught or how it is taught and you feel your children are at risk you have no option but to discuss this with the teacher. You might learn something yourself.

 

[Burrell Road Loco]

If you disagree with what is being taught or how it is taught and you feel your children are at risk you have no option but to discuss this with the teacher. You might learn something yourself.as parents discussed this with our children, and used this example and encouraged them to question what they are ‘told’ by the great and the good.

The immediate reaction would indeed be to challenge the school about this.
However we felt that this would harm our daughters prospects within the school because of the cancel culture, and bigot / racist labels that come out instead of honest debate these days.
Instead we thought it would be better to discuss this openly, suggest our daughter do her own research, then discuss again. The outcome was what we wanted, our daughter now questions what the ‘great and good‘ tell her.
I could write a long list of the topics that we discuss on the same vein, but here are just a few;
free speech
actual factual history rather than the cleansed, apologetic history being taught
religious and political freedoms
gender identity
etc
etc
As parents, we want our children to make their own choices, based on facts that they have researched, not what someone with an agenda, hidden or otherwise, tells them.
We as adults have the ability to change things, our children don’t, and should not be disadvantaged because of the parents views.
If we did that, we would be as guilty as a radical Muslim teaching their children to behead the infidel.
History should teach the future generation to better themselves, not repeat our mistakes, like tolerating radical Islam in Britain, or murdering Jews in Germany, during the war, or purging 1930’s Russia, or being a Christian in Iran today.

 

[Lowland1]

The immediate reaction would indeed be to challenge the school about this.
However we felt that this would harm our daughters prospects within the school because of the cancel culture, and bigot / racist labels that come out instead of honest debate these days.
Instead we thought it would be better to discuss this openly, suggest our daughter do her own research, then discuss again. The outcome was what we wanted, our daughter now questions what the ‘great and good‘ tell her.
I could write a long list of the topics that we discuss on the same vein, but here are just a few;
free speech
actual factual history rather than the cleansed, apologetic history being taught
religious and political freedoms
gender identity
etc
etc
As parents, we want our children to make their own choices, based on facts that they have researched, not what someone with an agenda, hidden or otherwise, tells them.
We as adults have the ability to change things, our children don’t, and should not be disadvantaged because of the parents views.
If we did that, we would be as guilty as a radical Muslim teaching their children to behead the infidel.
History should teach the future generation to better themselves, not repeat our mistakes, like tolerating radical Islam in Britain, or murdering Jews in Germany, during the war, or purging 1930’s Russia, or being a Christian in Iran today.

Having always been classed as difficult parents I’d disagree totally with you. If you believe your children are being taught incorrectly or being subjected to propaganda you have to stand up. I don’t agree with your views at all and venting on a Farming Forum with like minded people isn’t going to do any good at all. I believe you have to ask the teacher/school what are they teaching your child and ask them why they aren’t telling the children about treatment of people in places like Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia

 

[HatsOff]

I asked to see some of the work, and was shocked to read such things as;
death penalty - still technically valid in Islamic countries but not really used
arranged marriages - used to be common, but not now
No mention of women's rights or female education
No mention of radicalisation, terror attacks, grooming gangs, Saria law etc

...

Lee Anderson called this out and was virtually cancelled.

For the majority of Muslims that effectively is the case.

Also Anderson said Khan and Starmer are controlled by Islamists. That is blatantly factually wrong. But he's too much of a baby to admit when he was wrong and say sorry.

 

[Danllan]

If you disagree with what is being taught or how it is taught and you feel your children are at risk you have no option but to discuss this with the teacher. You might learn something yourself.

Agree 100% and have done so regarding RE and History classes in which demonstrably untrue things were being shown to children, not 'taught'. In both case a teacher had shown the children a video form Youtube about the subject matter in question, Islam and Cecil Rhodes respectively. In both case the teacher had not watched the video beforehand and fact-checked it.

The Islamic video claimed that there was no call for violence in Islamic holy texts; the history one claimed that Cecil Rhodes personally personally attacked Matabele warriors, and watched them gunned down with Maxim guns and demanded that they, the Matabele, make war on and enslave the Mashona for him.

Apologies were forthcoming, excuses made, the children told of the mistakes... but ffs, it makes you wonder at the way the teachers' minds were going.

@Burrell Road Loco if you do not confront this sort of thing, it will persist and spread.

 

[Burrell Road Loco]

Having always been classed as difficult parents I’d disagree totally with you. If you believe your children are being taught incorrectly or being subjected to propaganda you have to stand up. I don’t agree with your views at all and venting on a Farming Forum with like minded people isn’t going to do any good at all. I believe you have to ask the teacher/school what are they teaching your child and ask them why they aren’t telling the children about treatment of people in places like Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia

We are all entitled to our views, and being able to agree to disagree is what freedom of speech is all about.
However I will comment on your response.
If you think that storming into a British secondary school today, in the current woke climate, and strongly disagreeing with what’s being taught in regard to Islam, will NOT have a deferential effect on your children’s prospects at that school, you are sorely mistaken.
Five years ago the outcome may have been different, and I have friends who’s children have already left school, who did not see this level of propaganda. Obviously in private schools and schools in other countries, it may well be totally different.
I can only comment on our own circumstances, here, today.
We as parents are only to happy to stand up and say the unpopular things, BUT this is about our children’s prospects, hence why we used it as an educational exercise to broaden our daughters viewpoint.

 

[Danllan]

For the majority of Muslims that effectively is the case.

Also Anderson said Khan and Starmer are controlled by Islamists. That is blatantly factually wrong. But he's too much of a baby to admit when he was wrong and say sorry.

That is not true, most Muslims live in countries that have Islamic / Sharia law where such killing, brutality and primitiveness is the norm and state sanctioned; in a very few where it is not officially approved of, it is still endemic. The only places where they aren't allowed to do it is civilised ones like here, but they still do it when they can get away with it, and in very large numbers.

“I don’t actually believe that the Islamists have got control of our country, but what I do believe is they’ve got control of Khan, and they’ve got control of London.” Anderson's words.

Please tell us what Khan has done and is doing to prevent the appalling scenes we have seen in London recently, and explain why he allows the intimidation of Jews, why doesn't he order the Met' to do something...? Why has he not given support when there is intimidation in Jewish areas?

Are you really telling us that he - and Starmer for that matter - have not been and are not intimidated by what may politely be called the 'Muslim lobby', but which really consists of a large number of Islamists...? Really...?

I wonder what your agenda is in denying what are demonstrable facts about Islam...

 

[Lowland1]

We are all entitled to our views, and being able to agree to disagree is what freedom of speech is all about.
However I will comment on your response.
If you think that storming into a British secondary school today, in the current woke climate, and strongly disagreeing with what’s being taught in regard to Islam, will NOT have a deferential effect on your children’s prospects at that school, you are sorely mistaken.
Five years ago the outcome may have been different, and I have friends who’s children have already left school, who did not see this level of propaganda. Obviously in private schools and schools in other countries, it may well be totally different.
I can only comment on our own circumstances, here, today.
We as parents are only to happy to stand up and say the unpopular things, BUT this is about our children’s prospects, hence why we used it as an educational exercise to broaden our daughters viewpoint.

I'm not telling you to storm into a School. I'm saying you should ask your child's teacher to explain her comments 're. The similarities of Christianity and Islam. Whilst there you'll be able to put your questions to her regarding the things you mentioned regarding the treatment of women in Islamm forced conversion of non believers etc. Don't be a victim.

 

[Burrell Road Loco]

Folks, I’m only too happy to stand up and call this out, and often do so away from my children’s school, with the resultant labels of ‘bigot / racist‘ etc, but will NOT jeopardise my children’s prospects in the process.
Please see above about how we often use this regular educational propaganda to widen our children’s viewpoint, to ask questions and do their own research of the facts.
We feel that the education system at national level is way past changing because of anything we could do at a local level.
However we as adults and voters, CAN change the future direction of this countries political direction, which will have a far more reaching effect on the future of the whole country, not just the education system.

 

[Burrell Road Loco]

This is a thread about ISLAM, not my choices as a parent.

If people seriously think that we can openly criticise Islam without serious repercussions now in this country, I will say only one thing;
Why did social services across the country not even investigate the grooming gangs for well over a decade, when they all knew what was going on.
Simple, because they all knew that their careers would be over if they did so, and many have admitted as much, because the scumbags were Muslim.

If you think that Khan and Starmer are not under Muslim influence, did you not see what happened inside and outside Parliament when the motion was passed without any debate, and totally against Parliamentary protocol, demanding a cease fire in Gaza?

In my opinion, Lee Anderson is the only politician with enough integrity to call this positive Muslim racism out.
We don’t have ‘white privilege’ in Britain, we have ‘Muslim privilege ’.

 

[CORK]

I’m not bothered by religion myself. Irish born and bred and brought up in the Catholic religion.

I’m not going to say that religion in general is a load of tosh as it might offend someone.

I had a summer job in deepest England back in the 90’s. Before I left, a wise grand aunt advised me never to discuss politics or religion when I was in England.
In the course of my work, while travelling with my English boss, the topic of religion did of course come up. I asked him his opinion. He had no time for religion as he said that it caused too many wars. Wise words I thought.

 

[soapsud]

I'm not a liberal. I was raised in a town with a large Muslim pop. Islam is conservative, authoritarian and tribal but it's not exclusive and class-orientated. Islam will grow just as liberal democracy will fade. After Generation Zee, we'll go back to A again. In Arabic, the letter A is pronounced Alif. Buckle up, Dorothy!

Some facts for those worried about Islam:

1. The equator will become inhospitable to human life in 2070. Brown and black people will come north to Europe including the UK. See NASA map below.
2. Look at the demographic projections for islam in the UK for 2070.

 

[CORK]

I'm not a liberal. I was raised in a town with a large Muslim pop. Islam is conservative, authoritarian and tribal but it's not exclusive and class-orientated. Islam will grow just as liberal democracy will fade. After Generation Zee, we'll go back to A again. In Arabic, the letter A is pronounced Alif. Buckle up, Dorothy!

Some facts for those worried about Islam:

1. The equator will become inhospitable to human life in 2070. Brown and black people will come north to Europe including the UK. See NASA map below.
2. Look at the demographic projections for islam in the UK for 2070.

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If the weather doesn’t improve here, they might head back home again.

Seriously though, thats not a very uplifting prediction…..

I had a pint with a man in Cambridge a few years ago. He was about 60. His teacher in secondary school had told his class that all would be fine until everyone could see what everyone else had.

 

[Hindsight]

Folks, I’m only too happy to stand up and call this out, and often do so away from my children’s school, with the resultant labels of ‘bigot / racist‘ etc, but will NOT jeopardise my children’s prospects in the process.
Please see above about how we often use this regular educational propaganda to widen our children’s viewpoint, to ask questions and do their own research of the facts.
We feel that the education system at national level is way past changing because of anything we could do at a local level.
However we as adults and voters, CAN change the future direction of this countries political direction, which will have a far more reaching effect on the future of the whole country, not just the education system.

I have followed the thread since I replied to you earlier today. You say here we as adults can change the future by how we vote. Pray explain. I will answer my own question by assuming you mean vote Reform at the next General Election. DO come back to correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.

 

[Hindsight]

I'm not a liberal. I was raised in a town with a large Muslim pop. Islam is conservative, authoritarian and tribal but it's not exclusive and class-orientated. Islam will grow just as liberal democracy will fade. After Generation Zee, we'll go back to A again. In Arabic, the letter A is pronounced Alif. Buckle up, Dorothy!

Some facts for those worried about Islam:

1. The equator will become inhospitable to human life in 2070. Brown and black people will come north to Europe including the UK. See NASA map below.
2. Look at the demographic projections for islam in the UK for 2070.

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You forgot to mention that fertility rates in Europe, Asia are insufficient to maintain population. But Sub Saharan Africa is going to increase for some decades.

 

[Danllan]

I'm not a liberal. I was raised in a town with a large Muslim pop. Islam is conservative, authoritarian and tribal but it's not exclusive and class-orientated. Islam will grow just as liberal democracy will fade. After Generation Zee, we'll go back to A again. In Arabic, the letter A is pronounced Alif. Buckle up, Dorothy!

Some facts for those worried about Islam:

1. The equator will become inhospitable to human life in 2070. Brown and black people will come north to Europe including the UK. See NASA map below.
2. Look at the demographic projections for islam in the UK for 2070.

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Well... you seem a prime example of what Islam wants here, gullible, easily cowed, probably an appeaser / collaborator if given the chance... fortunately your scenario has an obvious flaw... it's b0llocks.

 

[Burrell Road Loco]

I have followed the thread since I replied to you earlier today. You say here we as adults can change the future by how we vote. Pray explain. I will answer my own question by assuming you mean vote Reform at the next General Election. DO come back to correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.

How I vote is between my ballot paper and me.
Am I going to discuss this on a public forum, with someone I don’t know, erm nope.
If I was Scottish I’d already be waiting for the police to knock on my door for my ’hate thoughts’!