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[ollie989898]

Stacey Dooley article re: hometown fanatics protest march in Luton is truly disturbing.

Why?
From what I saw it looked to be about 30 people at most. Most of them shouting for the police to go to hell or the UK (I presume the government) to go to hell. I mean you'd hear worse at a football match or a Tommy Robinson march- I note also from youtube a load of people were shouting at the police during the recent Palestine protests where a lot of folk were calling them cowards and traitors or similar. It's no secret that a portion of people living in the UK despise the police. Is this illegal?

 

[Still Farming]

Why?
From what I saw it looked to be about 30 people at most. Most of them shouting for the police to go to hell or the UK (I presume the government) to go to hell. I mean you'd hear worse at a football match or a Tommy Robinson march- I note also from youtube a load of people were shouting at the police during the recent Palestine protests where a lot of folk were calling them cowards and traitors or similar. It's no secret that a portion of people living in the UK despise the police. Is this illegal?

Their veiws are their veiws, Others have other veiws, we still in a Free Country so far apparently.

There was more issues at play than not liking the Police possibly also

 

[ollie989898]

Of course there is a right to protest in the UK. I think we can all agree however, that the second this evolves into property damage, threats of violence or the incitement of others to break the law, that is unacceptable.

I would also include anything that causes loss or inconvenience to the public in this, so it would naturally extend to those extinction rebellion nutters or just stop oil.

 

[Still Farming]

Of course there is a right to protest in the UK. I think we can all agree however, that the second this evolves into property damage, threats of violence or the incitement of others to break the law, that is unacceptable.

I would also include anything that causes loss or inconvenience to the public in this, so it would naturally extend to those extinction rebellion nutters or just stop oil.

The Welsh Farmers had a legitimate protest over SFS outside the Senedd the other day.
The Police pulled Tractors all in , took videos of them all, served a section notice on them and told not to break it and then Marshalled miles away to park up???
All peaceful and law abiding and over the top .
There does seem an unseen agenda to " different " protests going on to a lay person ?

 

[Danllan]

Oh dear have I hurt your feelings. It seems it’s ok for the cleverest man on the forum to have a go at others but it’s nasty when done to him. I always envisage you as the type of person who would run Deepcut Barracks or somewhere similar making the life’s of poor recruits miserable to the point of suicide. You are a racist whether it’s inherent in you or whether it was brought on my what you say happened to your friends/ family in Rhodesia I don’t know or really care. Your rants about Muslims and other non British are based on hatred rather than any understanding yep Muslims can be a nasty bunch due to a lack of real understanding of their own religion , education and breeding but it’s a small proportion and unfortunately people like you are more likely to cause more violence than less. I asked one poster why he didn’t ask for clarification re. what his daughter was being taught but basically he was too frit to ask and that’s the crux of this matter. A complete lack of courage and unwillingness to engage. You can write all kinds of nonsense on this forum but people like you will never have the courage to ask them what they really believe and why they believe it.

No feelings hurt, you are as irrelevant to me as I guess I am to you. Just some satisfaction and, to be honest, little bit of disappointment at your veil of 'Christian' smugness dropping to reveal the rather unpleasant reality beneath... no surprise though.

 

[teslacoils]

Given that I sense the geenral tenet of TFF contributors is somewhat to the right of liberal (!) and hatred of 'Pikeys' thieving I am surprised there is not more enthusiasm for Sharia Law - after all get those thieving hands chopped off.

But as an interesting observation on Friday evening I attended an evening in our village church which is some 200 metres from where I am typing this. A couple of the active congregation have dived into the Church archive and put on a really interesting display. The building is a mish mash of periods from a bit of late Saxon through to 16C. So a place of worship (Christian) has stood on that site for over a thousand years. And inside is a list of all the incumbent priests since 1100 (Not many actually!) But the Church faces the same issue as many in Lincolnshire. Lack of funds. When the current Vicar retires in the Autumn the Diocese is not providing a replacement for our Village and the associated eight other parishes. And is reducing funding for the upkeep of the building. The building and churchyard are an historic record. Maybe one day we shall hear the call to prayers issued from the Bell Tower? Hey ho.

The diocese of Lincoln has plenty of funds. How it chooses you use them is another matter.

Fastest growing congregations in Lincoln and north Lincs are evangelical Christians with majority white worshippers. They have all manners of charitable outreach groups going.

CofE is asset rich, but income poor. They have cold, old buildings full of old, white haired folk wondering where the congregation has gone.

(Long time PCC treasurer)

 

[Swarfmonkey]

Stacey Dooley article re: hometown fanatics protest march in Luton is truly disturbing.

Not exactly a recent development, even the yanks picked up on it a few years back. Luton UK, Commuter Town With Reputation as a Jihadi Breeding Ground

 

[Lowland1]

The diocese of Lincoln has plenty of funds. How it chooses you use them is another matter.

Fastest growing congregations in Lincoln and north Lincs are evangelical Christians with majority white worshippers. They have all manners of charitable outreach groups going.

CofE is asset rich, but income poor. They have cold, old buildings full of old, white haired folk wondering where the congregation has gone.

(Long time PCC treasurer)

Yes there's a lot of Glebe land that if you were prepared to slime around the Vicar and get your wife to do the flowers for the Church you could get your hands on. I spent a summer working alongside the Bishop of Lincolns son on a farm with lots of Church land. I think the Catholic Church had a bit of a renaissance with all the Poles and eastern Europeans who came pre brexit.

 

[teslacoils]

Yes there's a lot of Glebe land that if you were prepared to slime around the Vicar and get your wife to do the flowers for the Church you could get your hands on. I spent a summer working alongside the Bishop of Lincolns son on a farm with lots of Church land. I think the Catholic Church had a bit of a renaissance with all the Poles and eastern Europeans who came pre brexit.

If they were more Methodist about their buildings - get some shut and have folk drive two miles to one decent sized, warm church, they'd do better. Been trying to close ours for ten years. Total shambles. Noone goes. Just leeches funds for insurance and maintenance of an empty building.

 

[Lowland1]

If they were more Methodist about their buildings - get some shut and have folk drive two miles to one decent sized, warm church, they'd do better. Been trying to close ours for ten years. Total shambles. Noone goes. Just leeches funds for insurance and maintenance of an empty building.

I think we give too much precedence to the building. Every village would have a church because people could only walk a certain distance. If you had a church every ten miles or so they might be able to fill them and full churches encourage more people. Re Methodists the chapel in our village built in 1911 was sold in 2000 or so it's now a house but one of the pews is now on my verandah in Kenya.

 

[flinty123]

We as farmers have no place to criticise the Muslims... As long as they buy our cull ewes etc. We don't seem to give a monkey's how barbaric the barsteward's kill them...

I bet if an abattoir vet visited your farm he could find over 100 welfare issues within 24 hours, that is no exaggeration

 

[teslacoils]

I think we give too much precedence to the building. Every village would have a church because people could only walk a certain distance. If you had a church every ten miles or so they might be able to fill them and full churches encourage more people. Re Methodists the chapel in our village built in 1911 was sold in 2000 or so it's now a house but one of the pews is now on my verandah in Kenya.

My suggestion that we could knock 8 down, sell the building plots, and reuse the stone to build a decent one in town where all the new houses are going fell on deaf ears.

 

[manhill]

I bet if an abattoir vet visited your farm he could find over 100 welfare issues within 24 hours, that is no exaggeration

For example?

 

[flinty123]

For example?

Do your livestock have access to water 24/7, even in the pen before loading onto a trailer? Do they have access to water in every field 24/7? If not you could be looking at a £20k+ fine. The welfare regs in abattoir lairages are bonkers, in comparison to what us farmers think is acceptable.

It's all good bashing kosher and halal, they are the saviours of many livestock marts and family owned abattoirs.

 

[teslacoils]

It's all good bashing kosher and halal, they are the saviours of many livestock marts and family owned abattoirs.

Halal seems to get all the attention. Despite the vast majority being pre stunned. Kosher on the other hand....but then find me a politician who dare say anything negative about Jewish religious practices...

 

[flinty123]

Halal seems to get all the attention. Despite the vast majority being pre stunned. Kosher on the other hand....but then find me a politician who dare say anything negative about Jewish religious practices...

Halal is only permitted because of Kosher. Muslims are permitted to eat Kosher meat.

Personally I don't see an issue with it, bet those farmers moaning will sooner let a ewe suffer for hours, opposed to paying out several hundred pounds for the services of a vet.

 

[Burrell Road Loco]

Oh dear have I hurt your feelings. It seems it’s ok for the cleverest man on the forum to have a go at others but it’s nasty when done to him. I always envisage you as the type of person who would run Deepcut Barracks or somewhere similar making the life’s of poor recruits miserable to the point of suicide. You are a racist whether it’s inherent in you or whether it was brought on my what you say happened to your friends/ family in Rhodesia I don’t know or really care. Your rants about Muslims and other non British are based on hatred rather than any understanding yep Muslims can be a nasty bunch due to a lack of real understanding of their own religion , education and breeding but it’s a small proportion and unfortunately people like you are more likely to cause more violence than less. I asked one poster why he didn’t ask for clarification re. what his daughter was being taught but basically he was too frit to ask and that’s the crux of this matter. A complete lack of courage and unwillingness to engage. You can write all kinds of nonsense on this forum but people like you will never have the courage to ask them what they really believe and why they believe it.

Well I must say, you’re debating style is bang up to date.
Did you ever work in academia a few years ago?

 

[soapsud]

The Welsh Farmers had a legitimate protest over SFS outside the Senedd the other day.
The Police pulled Tractors all in , took videos of them all, served a section notice on them and told not to break it and then Marshalled miles away to park up???
All peaceful and law abiding and over the top .
There does seem an unseen agenda to " different " protests going on to a lay person ?

Tractors are in Parliament Square tonight

 

[soapsud]

Rights regarding freedoms in the UK are enshrined in UK law: they have fudge all to do with the European court of human rights.

You guys seem to be destined to hate someone, it's like you are actually looking for it. You really should find something better to do with your lives.

Erm, the clue is in the name.

When matey boy here has a right and wants it to be upheld by an authority and another has a competing right that threatens to cancel that first right, then you need an arbitration unit to weigh up the respective rights.

The ECHR has only been called upon to to rule over UK affairs a few times. One prominent case iirc was the christian baker who refused to bake a cake for a gay man. Google it. The right to freedom of expression, the right to not serve a customer and the right to not have to follow something that the defendant didn't believe in was weighed against feelings of misappropriation, unfulfilled contractual rights, being butthurt, etc.

Rights are obviously important. Farming is a right. Our admin classes are wanting to dictate how farming should be done now. They want to undo that right, (Welsh SFS,English SFI, etc,right to roam, SSSI status from NE, etc)

 

[ollie989898]

Erm, the clue is in the name.

When matey boy here has a right and wants it to be upheld by an authority and another has a competing right that threatens to cancel that first right, then you need an arbitration unit to weigh up the respective rights.

The ECHR has only been called upon to to rule over UK affairs a few times. One prominent case iirc was the christian baker who refused to bake a cake for a gay man. Google it. The right to freedom of expression, the right to not serve a customer and the right to not have to follow something that the defendant didn't believe in was weighed against feelings of misappropriation, unfulfilled contractual rights, being butthurt, etc.

Rights are obviously important. Farming is a right. Our admin classes are wanting to dictate how farming should be done now. They want to undo that right, (Welsh SFS,English SFI, etc,right to roam, SSSI status from NE, etc)

These rights you discuss are already within UK legislation. What relevance you think the ECHR has I have no idea.

If you want to voluntarily put yourself in these various schemes offered by the ministry that is your prerogative but I think to do so is completely nuts given the details outlined within the AJCC thread.