Ivermectin , covid cure

[ollie989898]

Joseph Mercola - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

God, you guys sure can pick them....

An article in BusinessWeek criticized his website as using aggressive direct-marketing tactics:

Mercola gives the lie to the notion that holistic practitioners tend to be so absorbed in treating patients that they aren't effective businesspeople. While Mercola on his site seeks to identify with this image by distinguishing himself from "all the greed-motivated hype out there in health-care land", he is a master promoter, using every trick of traditional and Internet direct marketing to grow his business ... He is selling health-care products and services, and is calling upon an unfortunate tradition made famous by the old-time snake oil salesmen of the 1800s.[6]

Phyllis Entis, a microbiologist and food safety expert, highlighted Mercola.com as an example of websites "likely to mislead consumers by offering one-sided, incomplete, inaccurate, or misleading information."[26]

Researchers say that Mercola employs teams in Florida and the Philippines who translate his posts into multiple languages and then post them to groups of websites and social media accounts.[27]: 1 

 

[primmiemoo]

Yes, that’s why I posted it. I took it out of context. It says,’ aren’t things rosy and great, we’ve beaten this virus’, but things actually aren’t. I’ve created a disconnect that , if you hadn’t done the simple research, would be confusing. This is the world we live in.
Just think: this thread of farmers has generated over 1500 posts on the question of whether Ivermectin or other drugs work on Covid. Why not let the science tell us directly? They certainly do know, but they aren’t telling. Doctor Robert Malone, interviewed by Joe Rogan ( and presented on Dr. Mercola‘s website) knows and says so. He also knows an awful lot about the behind the scenes stuff, but you won’t see him interviewed anywhere else. So live in darkness and dig around for the light or just ask someone who knows.

I know just what you mean about dates on online articles! The internet could do with an indexing system that includes date order, that's for sure.

Dr Malone doesn't seem to be going about imparting his knowledge in a way that passes scientific criteria, or review of his peers. Goodwin's Law has been triggered, too. Hardly reassuring in the current circumstances.

 

[primmiemoo]

From today’s free article from Dr. Mercola. Does anyone find any of this offensive?

Early Treatment Options​

While the overall risk of COVID-19 has been grossly exaggerated, early treatment is key, both for preventing severe infection and preventing “long-haul COVID.” Here are a few suggestions:
• Oral-nasal decontamination — The virus, especially the Delta variant, replicates rapidly in the nasal cavity and mouth for three to five days before spreading to the rest of the body, so you want to strike where it’s most likely to be found right from the start.
Research23 has demonstrated that irrigating your nasal passages with 2.5 milliliters of 10% povidone-iodine (an antimicrobial) and standard saline, twice a day, is an effective remedy.
Another option that was slightly less effective was using a mixture of saline with half a teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate (an alkalizer). You can also gargle with these to kill viruses in your mouth and throat. When done routinely, it can be a very effective preventive strategy. You can find printable treatment guides on TruthForHealth.org.
• Nebulized peroxide — A similar strategy is to use nebulized hydrogen peroxide, diluted with saline to a 0.1% solution. Both hydrogen peroxide and saline24,25 have antiviral effects. You can view my previous videos on this on BitChute.
In a May 10, 2021, Orthomolecular Medicine press release,26 Dr. Thomas E. Levy — board-certified in internal medicine and cardiology — discussed the use of this treatment for COVID-19 specifically. Levy has in fact written an entire book on peroxide nebulization called “Rapid Virus Recovery,” which you can download for free from MedFox Publishing.
• Vitamin D optimization — Research has shown having a vitamin D level above 50 ng/mL brings the risk of COVID mortality down to near-zero.27
• Other key nutraceuticals — Vitamin C, zinc, quercetin and NAC all have scientific backing.
• Key drugs — For acute infection, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine or monoclonal antibodies can be used. While monoclonal antibodies and hydroxychloroquine must be used early on in the disease process, ivermectin has been shown to be effective in all stages of the infection.
Doxycycline or azithromycin are typically added as well, to address any secondary bacterial infection, as well as inhaled budesonide (a steroid). Oral steroids are used on and after the fifth day for pulmonary weakness and aspirin or NAC can be added to reduce the risk of clotting.
Full-strength aspirin is also typically recommended, but I believe lumbrokinase and serrapeptase may be a better, at least safer, alternative, as they help break down and prevent blood clots naturally.

Er, I think @ollie989898 might have need of smelling salts for this, despite how superficially plausible it might appear

 

[ollie989898]

No thankyou, I won't be inhaling hydrogen peroxide from a nebulizer, nor will I be putting surgical iodine up my nose.

Vitamin D- we've discussed this before. I am sure I found a trial regarding this stuff. Vitamin D is a tricky thing at the best of times as there are so many forms of it, I'm not sure anyone even knows what a desirable or useful serum vitamin D level is. And being a hormone, it is regulated in the body quite tightly.

HCQ- been tested and doesn't work.
Vitamin C, Zinc etc etc etc. All be heard before.

 

[primmiemoo]

Does anyone remember sorgene 5 sent through the pressure washer to Cleanse and Disinfect during FMD? I certainly won't be putting even greater dilution of that stuff into a nebuliser!

 

[Cowabunga]

Does anyone remember sorgene 5 sent through the pressure washer to Cleanse and Disinfect during FMD? I certainly won't be putting even greater dilution of that stuff into a nebuliser!

Sorgene5 is a blend of paracetic acid, which many dairy farmers use, diluted appropriately, as a pre-milking udder wash and liner flush between cows, and hydrogen peroxide. It is a highly effective detergent biocide but must be used fresh and is quickly neutralised by the environment.
I don’t think I would risk putting it up my nose even though it is used daily by many to wash cow’s teats etc. Its efficient and accurate dilution is essential as concentrated paracetic acid and hydrogen peroxide will cause immediate serious tissue damage.

 

[milkloss]

Is it true?...... actually I don't care for the mud and sh1t that'll get thrown about on here. Truth is we'll probably never know.

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[primmiemoo]

Sorgene5 is a blend of paracetic acid, which many dairy farmers use, diluted appropriately, as a pre-milking udder wash and liner flush between cows, and hydrogen peroxide. It is a highly effective detergent biocide but must be used fresh and is quickly neutralised by the environment.
I don’t think I would risk putting it up my nose even though it is used daily by many to wash cow’s teats etc. Its efficient and accurate dilution is essential as concentrated paracetic acid and hydrogen peroxide will cause immediate serious tissue damage.

I agree. The product has its uses in farming. It was used here to cleanse the livestock trailer, and for disinfection of calf pens and mothering up pens between occupants at lambing. No longer permitted to use it under Red Tractor, for some reason, though.

Yet some charlatans alternative "therapists" would recommend delicate nasal and lung tissue be seared by hydrogen peroxide! That would cause the likes of me (with asthma) some distress, even if it were greatly diluted.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Is it true?...... actually I don't care for the mud and sh1t that'll get thrown about on here. Truth is we'll probably never know.

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

The truth is generally well corrupted, on this subject! It's so fascinating how people have responded, given that everyone is coming out of the closet as a master virologist and immunologist these days. Shame they can't stop blokes wetting their beds

 

[ollie989898]

Is it true?...... actually I don't care for the mud and sh1t that'll get thrown about on here. Truth is we'll probably never know.

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

DARPA would have no involvement in this. They are a defence research organisation.

USAMRIID are the USAs biological weapons agency.

 

[milkloss]

DARPA would have no involvement in this. They are a defence research organisation.

USAMRIID are the USAs biological weapons agency.

Exactly….. they state that both ivermectin and hydroxy are curative, that’d be defence surely? Even if it is against a virus they manufactured themselves.

 

[ollie989898]

Exactly….. they state that both ivermectin and hydroxy are curative, that’d be defence surely? Even if it is against a virus they manufactured themselves.

Look, I've cited multiple trials, hydroxychloroquine doesn't work. Ivermectin, despite all the social media firestorm, doesn't appear to work either.

We've been on about this for near 12 months now.

 

[milkloss]

Look, I've cited multiple trials, hydroxychloroquine doesn't work. Ivermectin, despite all the social media firestorm, doesn't appear to work either.

We've been on about this for near 12 months now.

Of course they don’t …… wouldn’t have vaccines if they did work would we. Anyhow, like I said, I doubt we’ll really know the truth especially with the politicisation of science and media censorship.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

I think you'd still have vaccines even if it took 117,000 people getting them, to save a single life, which is about the strength of it.

Given that it's 99.87% survivable and these vaccines reduce your overall risk by 0.8-1.2%, there's the data; most of the rest of it is "tall stories repeated by many" .. and pseudoscience

 

[farenheit]

Efficacy of Ivermectin on Disease Progression in Patients With COVID-19

This randomized clinical trial assesses the efficacy of ivermectin treatment in preventing progression to severe disease among high-risk patients with COVID-19 in Malaysia.

jamanetwork.com

 

[ollie989898]

(Source above):
Key Points
Question Does adding ivermectin, an inexpensive and widely available antiparasitic drug, to the standard of care reduce the risk of severe disease in patients with COVID-19 and comorbidities?

Findings In this open-label randomized clinical trial of high-risk patients with COVID-19 in Malaysia, a 5-day course of oral ivermectin administered during the first week of illness did not reduce the risk of developing severe disease compared with standard of care alone.

Meaning The study findings do not support the use of ivermectin for patients with COVID-19.

Design, Setting, and Participants The Ivermectin Treatment Efficacy in COVID-19 High-Risk Patients (I-TECH) study was an open-label randomized clinical trial conducted at 20 public hospitals and a COVID-19 quarantine center in Malaysia between May 31 and October 25, 2021. Within the first week of patients’ symptom onset, the study enrolled patients 50 years and older with laboratory-confirmed COVID-19, comorbidities, and mild to moderate disease.

Interventions Patients were randomized in a 1:1 ratio to receive either oral ivermectin, 0.4 mg/kg body weight daily for 5 days, plus standard of care (n = 241) or standard of care alone (n = 249). The standard of care consisted of symptomatic therapy and monitoring for signs of early deterioration based on clinical findings, laboratory test results, and chest imaging.

Main Outcomes and Measures The primary outcome was the proportion of patients who progressed to severe disease, defined as the hypoxic stage requiring supplemental oxygen to maintain pulse oximetry oxygen saturation of 95% or higher. Secondary outcomes of the trial included the rates of mechanical ventilation, intensive care unit admission, 28-day in-hospital mortality, and adverse events.

Results Among 490 patients included in the primary analysis (mean [SD] age, 62.5 [8.7] years; 267 women [54.5%]), 52 of 241 patients (21.6%) in the ivermectin group and 43 of 249 patients (17.3%) in the control group progressed to severe disease (relative risk [RR], 1.25; 95% CI, 0.87-1.80; P = .25). For all prespecified secondary outcomes, there were no significant differences between groups. Mechanical ventilation occurred in 4 (1.7%) vs 10 (4.0%) (RR, 0.41; 95% CI, 0.13-1.30; P = .17), intensive care unit admission in 6 (2.4%) vs 8 (3.2%) (RR, 0.78; 95% CI, 0.27-2.20; P = .79), and 28-day in-hospital death in 3 (1.2%) vs 10 (4.0%) (RR, 0.31; 95% CI, 0.09-1.11; P = .09). The most common adverse event reported was diarrhea (14 [5.8%] in the ivermectin group and 4 [1.6%] in the control group).

I cannot stress enough how much I hate P values and confidence intervals. Anyway, here you have a moderately high powered study (the ITECH one no less), withover 200 patients per treatment arm.

Open label trial but it was randomised.

The hunt continues...

 

[Kiwi Pete]

It's quite an interesting thing to look at countries who didn't leap in to vaccinate and treated with cheap medicines like ivermectin, they now have virtually nothing to worry about regarding daily infection rates.

Contrasted sharply against countries who discredited ivermectin and took the shots, who are now experiencing record daily infection rates of c.2500 per million per day

And then there's poor old, sold-out, 4-shots Israel: running at close to 11000 infections per million per day... anyone smelling the rat yet?

 

[ollie989898]

It's quite an interesting thing to look at countries who didn't leap in to vaccinate and treated with cheap medicines like ivermectin, they now have virtually nothing to worry about regarding daily infection rates.

Contrasted sharply against countries who discredited ivermectin and took the shots, who are now experiencing record daily infection rates of c.2500 per million per day

And then there's poor old, sold-out, 4-shots Israel: running at close to 1100 infections per million per day... anyone smelling the rat yet?

I would love to see statistics that show countries treating with drug X or Y have no cases/infections/hospitalisations or deaths. If someone could point me to that information I'd be pleased to see it.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Have a look on "our world in data", Ollie, it's all there.

Remember "we will hold the 3rd 'booster' shot until Africa has been vaccinated"?

They really dodged a bullet there

UK data (not modelling, but data) is showing you're well over 10% and more like 14.3% more likely to die OF covid if fully jabbed-up, hardly "the safe and effective vaccine" in reality - more like it is setting the world on fire

 

[ollie989898]

Have a look on "our world in data", Ollie, it's all there.

Remember "we will hold the 3rd 'booster' shot until Africa has been vaccinated"?

They really dodged a bullet there

UK data (not modelling, but data) is showing you're well over 10% and more like 14.3% more likely to die OF covid if fully jabbed-up, hardly "the safe and effective vaccine" in reality - more like it is setting the world on fire

We know that in many countries there is no hospital care unless you can afford to pay for it. Given this fact, it is hard to take covid cases in many countries seriously as the majority of people there will not ever be tested for covid so will not appear in any statistics. I remember hearing about how India cured the covid with ivermectin so freely available etc etc etc, then I also remember the news bulletins where people were lining the streets and using industrial oxygen supplies to keep their dying relatives alive. Which narrative is it then?