glasshouse
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- Location
- lothians
There will be a famine, and headage will return.
Unfarmed land will be requisitioned and ploughed
Javid promises BPS at same level for 2020
- Thread starter chaffcutter
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Unfarmed land will be requisitioned and ploughed
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Whether direct subs go or not, it is clear that imports will not be curbed (Boris & his buddies positively embrace reduced tariff imports), nor will regulations & paperwork reduce.
Policy is decided by career politicians who churn out soundbites to egg the proletariat on, as was clearly demonstrated by all sides in the recent GE campaign. Keep the plebs happy and they will keep their grip on the gravy train, nothing else matters to them, any of them.
Disregarding any strategic long term planning, food can be imported cheaply and the urbancentric population appear to like the ideas promoted by Packham, Monbiot, etc, so that is the path we are on.
We all know it will end in tears at some point, but I suspect a great deal of damage will be done across our industry before that day comes.
Policy is decided by career politicians who churn out soundbites to egg the proletariat on, as was clearly demonstrated by all sides in the recent GE campaign. Keep the plebs happy and they will keep their grip on the gravy train, nothing else matters to them, any of them.
Disregarding any strategic long term planning, food can be imported cheaply and the urbancentric population appear to like the ideas promoted by Packham, Monbiot, etc, so that is the path we are on.
We all know it will end in tears at some point, but I suspect a great deal of damage will be done across our industry before that day comes.
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
I don’t doubt it, but I suspect it won’t be any time soon.
Dieter Helms book Green and Prosperous Land, whilst probably universally unpopular with farmers in my opinion presents a very workable and sensible blueprint for agriculture going forward.
Judging by the negativity of a huge amount of posts on this forum what we have at the moment isn’t very good, so now must be the best time to change outdated policy.
Judging by the negativity of a huge amount of posts on this forum what we have at the moment isn’t very good, so now must be the best time to change outdated policy.
glasshouse
Member
- Location
- lothians
2027
Once all the arable farms have been planted with trees
There will be special laybys where you can stop and gnaw at some bark
A headage payment would be fairer the farmer would receive it, not the land owner. The farmers do all the hard work it is only fair that they receive the support. But I agree with you it will never return.
glasshouse
Member
- Location
- lothians
Area payments must be ended.
If headage is not adopted, no payments would be better
There's nothing we can do about it, pointless worrying about things which are out of our control. Life is too short
gone up the hill
Member
- Location
- Devon
You only say that because you have a hatred of anyone that owns land!
gone up the hill
Member
- Location
- Devon
You just want to see most of the UK farming industry decimated because you think ( wrongly ) that you will personally benefit if most farmers are driven out of the industry!
glasshouse
Member
- Location
- lothians
Dont talk crap
- Location
- South Wales UK
Farmers' £243m funding secured for another year
Welsh ministers want Westminster guarantees for farmers for years beyond 2020.
www.bbc.co.uk
No, I think farmers working together in unison is the future.
lloyd
Member
- Location
- Herefordshire
Let's hope we dont go back to headage payments
and quotas .
They made farming very inefficient .
and quotas .
They made farming very inefficient .
glasshouse
Member
- Location
- lothians
Most of the subsidy is going to non farmers now, do you think thats ok?
lloyd
Member
- Location
- Herefordshire
So we stay being un-cooperative until the industry is destroyed?
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
I certainly don’t fall into that category, but I believe the current system is flawed too. It can’t be right that a ‘small’ farmer with 1000ac is drawing the best part of £100k for doing so, then using that money to buy more land to qualify for more.
Likewise nobody should be getting a large payment just because their father worked hard and built up a decent landholding, which they sit back and milk for sub.
I have no doubt that something has to change. The current system is keeping to many affluent slipper farmers in comfort, whether as historical landlords or semi-retired owner occupiers.
What the answer is, I don’t know. Stopping sub will send a lot to the wall, however ‘efficient’ they are. Headage payments will just encourage overstocking with poor stock (I could easily double numbers up here with Welsh ewes if that system came in again). Moving support to trees and rewilding schemes just removes productive land from the system, permanently (drainage systems beyond repair within a few years and no way back for land once classified as ‘habitat’).
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lloyd
Member
- Location
- Herefordshire
No you can do it at a local level but unfortunately
we dont have a very robust organisation at national
level which would encourage UK farmers to speak with one voice.
Sadly correct