Jcb or merlo?

[ollie989898]

oh!

are you one of those guys who can’t find neutral when loading and revs the tits off it in gear whilst stood on the brakes then wonders why everything’s overheated and the brakes are grinding???

No thank you, I have other plans for the cartilage in my left knee. Of course you can't drive a JCB with any real finesse because the thing wants to move the second you put it in gear.

Tractors seem to be CVT all the rage and stress-free all day driving but for some reason people seem to want to sit in JCB handlers with a stone-age transmission designed for a building site.

 

[Lawless]

No thank you, I have other plans for the cartilage in my left knee. Of course you can't drive a JCB with any real finesse because the thing wants to move the second you put it in gear.

Tractors seem to be CVT all the rage and stress-free all day driving but for some reason people seem to want to sit in JCB handlers with a stone-age transmission designed for a building site.

Just going to mention this one more time but jcb offer the Dualtech transmission now which is the best of both worlds. You have hydro for all the bits you need it for under 20km/h and then while on the road towing for example it transfers up into the ‘stone-age’ transmission that no hydro would keep up with.

 

[ollie989898]

Just going to mention this one more time but jcb offer the Dualtech transmission now which is the best of both worlds. You have hydro for all the bits you need it for under 20km/h and then while on the road towing for example it transfers up into the ‘stone-age’ transmission that no hydro would keep up with.

Just a shame it is still inside a JCB.

As for 'keeping up with' I have precisely zero interest in the maximum road speed of agricultural equipment. I have a vested interest in preserving my spine instead. Telehandlers are all slow on the road the second you point them at a hill or start trying to tow with them anyway.

 

[Renaultman]

Usual answer from me. Have a very good look at Kramer or badged Kramer. Never driven a bobcat so can't comment but I find the Kramer the fastest (cycle times) most intuitive telehandler that I get to use

 

[melted welly]

No thank you, I have other plans for the cartilage in my left knee. Of course you can't drive a JCB with any real finesse because the thing wants to move the second you put it in gear.

Tractors seem to be CVT all the rage and stress-free all day driving but for some reason people seem to want to sit in JCB handlers with a stone-age transmission designed for a building site.

JCBs are fine, torque converter transmissions are fine, it’s down to how you drive them as to the impact on yourself.
We’ll unload and stack up to 1000t of 600kg fert bags in a day with 845 Manitous, then load it all out again onto wagons, feel fine at the end of the day. The 845 is pretty much construction spec too, not as refined as the jcb (manual 4speed box ), but sometimes simple, reliable, and no niggles triumphs over gadgets and cosmetics.

 

[dod1e]

Is it a Kramer built Claas or a Liebherr built Claas?

When did they change? currently eyeing up a 2013 scorpion, wondering if its likely to be good or not before bothering to travel?

Like hydro transmission, also like the ability to help it stop with brakes if required coming downhill to a junction..........

Also like reliability, performance, visibility and stability, and easy servicing!

 

[Stuart J]

When did they change? currently eyeing up a 2013 scorpion, wondering if its likely to be good or not before bothering to travel?

Like hydro transmission, also like the ability to help it stop with brakes if required coming downhill to a junction..........

Also like reliability, performance, visibility and stability, and easy servicing!

Fairly sure itll be Kramer, but either should be pretty reliable.

 

[ACEngineering]

Cant remember all what he said about it but he said the bucket angle not right as it wont crowed back like the JCB did so he spills grain while moving to the lorry and when at lorry the angle of tip is not right ,think he said its slower on the road

That's not the machines fault though, it's the person that made the headstock conversion or adaptor plate or the one that welded the brackets on his buckets at wrong angle.

 

[Ploughmaster]

When did they change? currently eyeing up a 2013 scorpion, wondering if its likely to be good or not before bothering to travel?

Changeover was 2018, so it will be a Kramer.

 

[bluepower]

That's not the machines fault though, it's the person that made the headstock conversion or adaptor plate or the one that welded the brackets on his buckets at wrong angle.

I cannot get my head around JCB culture. I have owned two from new and neither have been very reliable. The resale value was also very disappointing to say the least. I think Merlos are very much a marmite machine but I love them, so easy and controllable to drive. We do have a very good local dealer for Merlo. The JCB dealer is a direct descendant of Dick Turpin. JCB themselves are also extremely unhelpful particularly regarding warranty issues.

 

[Willie adie]

I cannot get my head around JCB culture. I have owned two from new and neither have been very reliable. The resale value was also very disappointing to say the least. I think Merlos are very much a marmite machine but I love them, so easy and controllable to drive. We do have a very good local dealer for Merlo. The JCB dealer is a direct descendant of Dick Turpin. JCB themselves are also extremely unhelpful particularly regarding warranty issues.

The JCB dealership up here were offering to come the pansy, with a warranty issue on the one here

 

[bluepower]

The JCB dealership up here were offering to come the pansy, with a warranty issue on the one here

But they are so bloody expensive! JCB wouldn't cover a manufacturing fault on the main lift ram as I had not had it serviced by a franchised dealer! I don't think that is legal?
Will never buy another!!

 

[ollie989898]

I cannot get my head around JCB culture. I have owned two from new and neither have been very reliable. The resale value was also very disappointing to say the least. I think Merlos are very much a marmite machine but I love them, so easy and controllable to drive. We do have a very good local dealer for Merlo. The JCB dealer is a direct descendant of Dick Turpin. JCB themselves are also extremely unhelpful particularly regarding warranty issues.

I remain suspect of JCB machines myself. I've known some machines that were good to drive and never gave bother. Others I was not impressed by in the slightest. They aren't cheap any more either. They are more expensive than the competition for no reason I can see than because they can get away with it. At one time they were probably the cream of the crop but they are now also rans in my view.

 

[Willie adie]

But they are so bloody expensive! JCB wouldn't cover a manufacturing fault on the main lift ram as I had not had it serviced by a franchised dealer! I don't think that is legal?
Will never buy another!!

Interestingly enough it was the main lift arm was the issue here, squeaked all the way up and down, the mechanic said he thought it was the ram but obviously you can't put your head right in to hear,
JCB tried to say it wasn't under warranty, but the boss man took out a 5 yr warranty when he bought it,. He's traded it in for a new JCB, I wonder whether the ram will be replaced before the move it on to a new owner,
What do you think?!

 

[Willie adie]

I remain suspect of JCB machines myself. I've known some machines that were good to drive and never gave bother. Others I was not impressed by in the slightest. They aren't cheap any more either. They are more expensive than the competition for no reason I can see than because they can get away with it. At one time they were probably the cream of the crop but they are now also rans in my view.

Well the f**kung paint work is a disgrace or was on the 58 plate

 

[ollie989898]

Well the f**kung paint work is a disgrace or was on the 58 plate

You won't get any complaint from me. I honestly believe they are just selling too many machines and have trimmed the QA process in their build. Selling shed loads of machines to hire fleets and the like they just don't give a fig.

 

[Renaultman]

When did they change? currently eyeing up a 2013 scorpion, wondering if its likely to be good or not before bothering to travel?

Like hydro transmission, also like the ability to help it stop with brakes if required coming downhill to a junction..........

Also like reliability, performance, visibility and stability, and easy servicing!

I'm pretty sure it was into the 20s (maybe Kate teens) before Kramer stopped making them

 

[stevedave]

When did they change? currently eyeing up a 2013 scorpion, wondering if its likely to be good or not before bothering to travel?

Like hydro transmission, also like the ability to help it stop with brakes if required coming downhill to a junction..........

Also like reliability, performance, visibility and stability, and easy servicing!

Ours is a 67 plate and one of the first libherrs so it will be a Kramer. Of the model number is 4 digits and has a white boom its a Kramer. The libherrs also have their name over it on things like the serial no. plate

 

[Planttech]

But they are so bloody expensive! JCB wouldn't cover a manufacturing fault on the main lift ram as I had not had it serviced by a franchised dealer! I don't think that is legal?
Will never buy another!!

I believe The manufacturer has to cover the first year by law, but sure there would be small print regarding obvious neglect, any warranty outside that is down to the manufacturers discretion. That said even main dealer fitters will miss defects.

 

[Speedstar]

82 plus 7.5k for extended warranty

What did you all get for the £7500 for the warranty ?